James Toney v Tommy Gibbons

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  1. McGrain

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    Assuming Toney is "on" this would be a great, great fight. They can both weigh in at what is natural and best for them during their respective primes on the day of the fight, which I think would put them in the same ballpark.

    Presume a very dedicated camp for Toney though.

    Who wins this masterclass?
     
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    Given that Toney is slightly more physical I think he'll be able to impose his will a bit more. Unless you are a freak or the bigger man I don't see how you can outbox an on form Toney
     
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    You think an "on" Toney would have got Hopkins?
     
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    Hopkins is quite firmly in the "freak" category.
     
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    And McCallum?
     
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    I don't see it as a robbery. That could quite easily have gone to either man, both times around and Mike showed he had an incredible jab which I never expected but seemingly not as tough a chin as I did expect.

    But I wouldn't say either man got outboxed in either fight real chess matches both of them. Same with Johnson tbh.

    So yeah Gibbons might be able to nick rounds but I don't see him takin more than Toney.

    No one is ever gonna be favoured to stop him and being favoured to take a points decision over a prime Toney is a big ask.
     
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    I could definitely buy that McCallum is a better boxer than Gibbons; but then again, Gibbons is a much bigger puncher, has a good body attack, and is physically bigger; i wonder if he might not just out-work Toney up close or if he'd be made to miss and counter-punch in the normal way.
     
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    I wonder how Tommy did against Mike in sparring...
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Outworking Toney seems to be the best strategy out there but did Tommy fight that way?
     
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    There appear to have been plenty of punches against Miske and Greb. I don't think it's possible to win against Greb without very good volume, frankly.
     
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    Short of a) Greb having an off night, b) landing heavy discouraging shots, c) knocking him clean out. I agree with you you probably would have to outwork him.

    I'm just saying when you say Tommy Gibbons I don't think of a busy outworking type fighter. I see a sharp shooting lesser man's Tunney tbh.
     
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    I don't think you need to be Armstrong to outwork Toney; it basically means throwing enough punches that the derth in defensive ability is re-aligned by volume. And, of course, Gibbons isn't necessarily worth less defensively. He was ranked hard to hit.

    So "outwork" doesn't mean volume puncher, just do more good work in order that the judges score the rounds for you.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    He's not a thadzi or tiberi type fighter though is he.

    I think Toney gets too much of a pass for being off against Griffin twice. Griffin was able to do what you describe for Gibbons so it isn't beyond possible. But in a fantasy fight between Toney and Griffin, if it was to happen again, would you still back Griffin on points or would part of you think "just maybe"
     
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    No; he definitely has much more in common with McCallum, who gave Toney a desperate, desperate time.

    I think Gibbons proved himself far more accomplished than Griffin.
     
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    McCallum certainly proved to be, at worst, Toney's equal in the ring.

    Yes I would agree that Gibbons will be much more fondly remembered in the annals of history. I'm not sure anyone would disagree there.
     
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