Nathan Cleverly @ SMW

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not sure if he could make SMW as he is a big guy.
    I think the loss to Kovalev sort of took more out of Cleverly than we imagined.
    If Nathan was comfy at the weight and his head was right than I think he would be able to compete with all of the above if not win all, but I dont think Nathan is right and believing in himself like he used to. I thought that even when he fought Fonfara, like he was putting up a good battle but not really going for it like he used to, as if he was being brave, similar to what I thought when Buglioni fought Chudinov, but not really in my opinion believing they really wanted to win and have satisfaction in going the distance in a tough fight. That of course is only my opinion and I would struggle to explain if put on the spot to answer.

    If Nathan was sound and could make the weight I think he and
    Groves would be a tough gruelling battle
    think he could out game the Dirrell bros
    beat Murray who I have never been convinced about
    beat the Smith bros
     
  2. Super Hans

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    Cleverly is a superior technician to Andre Ward so I think if he got on the sauce Ward is on, he'd likely school him. :nod
     
  3. BASHar Asad

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    Anyone who think Cleverly could make 168 without being physically diminished beyond belief has never trained in a sport that had weight classes.
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would have favoured Cleverly a while back, but dont think he has recovered from the Kovalev loss. Superior technician. Yes agreed, but think the loss has damaged him a bit, like I think losses have affected Bute and Groves.
    It would be interesting to see Ward face a top undefeated fighter
     
  5. damian38

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    this would actually be a decent fight, seeing as Ward is now a LHW, I don't think Clev schools Ward, but Andre would finally face someone who has solid fundamentals in the technique department WHO WASN'T DRAINED ala Chad Dawson style
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Ward is no 'Zaggers pal. He is beyond terrified of an undefeated fighter. Look how he continues to duck Kovalev and GGG.
     
  7. bailey

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    You wont get another SMW/LHW like that again. True Legend
     
  8. Super Hans

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    :clap: There is only one Joe Calzaghe. The Super Middleweight GOAT will never be overtaken.
     
  9. Serge

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    I doubt he could make 168 healthily.

    You should definitely watch the fight when you get a chance though as it was a real good one.

    Although both he and Fonfara put on a hell of a fight last night and I really enjoyed it, I still found it really frustrating to watch because I feel it was a very winnable fight for Nathan. He employed the wrong tactics and let his machismo get the better of him again. He stood in the pocket pretty much the entire fight and allowed Fonfara to tee off on him too often and he ended up taking a lot of unnecessary punishment which not only resulted in him sustaining a badly broken nose and damaged ear but it also depleted his energy reserves too.

    Going up to CW to face the bigger Bellew at a weight that suited Bellew far more was another stupid move that cost him another unnecessary loss. He's a good fighter and naturally talented and he should just taken the Kovalev loss on the chin and worked towards building himself back up at 175 instead of fleeing the division. That loss clearly took a huge toll on him mentally. Kovalev's a monster so there's no shame losing to him. There are plenty of other top LHWs who he's either done that too or could do it to. That said, I was pleasantly surprised to see he has finally regained some of his confidence now.

    He also should've hooked up with a top trainer after leaving Enzo Calzaghe to maximize his full potential. Freddie Roach spoke highly of him and said that he would like to train him after seeing him in action sparring over at the Wild Card when Nathan went over there to train.

    Chisora's trainer Don Charles also spoke very highly of him too. Nathan has spent a lot of time training down at his gym and Charles said he always gave Chisora great sparring and did well against other HWs too.

    'Legendary trainer Freddie Roach says he would "love" to coach light-heavyweight champion Nathan Cleverly.

    The unbeaten Welshman has been training at Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood ahead of his WBO title defence against Shawn Hawk in Los Angeles on Saturday.

    The 25-year-old, looked after by his father Vince, has vowed to return to California for training camps ahead of all his future fights.

    Hall of fame coach Roach said: "You want guys like that at your gym."

    The 52-year-old has trained boxing greats like Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins, and still mentors Manny Pacquiao.
    Cleverly defends his title for the fourth time against underdog American Hawk, but wants a super-fight with Hopkins and a 2013 unification clash with WBA title-holder Beibut Shumenov or IBF champion Tavoris Cloud.

    Vince Cleverly took over sole training responsibilities in September 2008 when Nathan left Enzo Calzaghe's famous Newbridge stable.


    The Cefn Fforest fighter was introduced to Roach by Hollywood actor Mickey Rourke, and the coach organised sparring sessions with undefeated Nigerian cruiserweight Lateef Kayote and American light-heavyweight Tyrell Hendrix.

    Now Roach, the four-time American boxing coach of the year, says he would love to help guide Cleverly to light-heavyweight division domination.

    "I wouldn't hesitate to take him on," said Roach. "He's definitely talented, I'd love to have him.

    "We haven't discussed him coming here yet but he's here and maybe there's a reason why he is here.

    "I think he is at the right stage where a unification fight would be good for him and he has the potential to beat any of the world champions.

    "It is a very competitive division right now - there are some good fights out there for him.

    "He's a great boxer but his punching power is not the best in the world.

    "He still has a little bit of an immature style of scoring points and getting out of the way, but sometimes you have to take more chances.

    "The passive defence gives you a good defence but you can't slip in a counter punch and that is the best way to knock out guys as you can take advantage of your opponent's mistakes."

    Cleverly may be a world champion but he is only an early evening fight and just fifth on the Abner Mares v Anseimo Moreno WBC super-bantamweight title clash undercard at the Staples Center.

    The fight will be screened live in America, though, giving Cleverly a chance to impress the lucrative American market.

    "In America he is not too well known as we haven't seen him on American TV too many times," said Roach.

    "He may be big in the UK but in America it is a whole different market.

    "But his first live appearance on American TV will be the first time of many as I think America will like him."

    "He is an excellent boxer with great hand speed, throws good strong combinations and when he starts knocking guys out, he'll become a star."
     
  10. DanishDynamite

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    He sparred Kessler before Kessler - Froch II. From what i've heard Kessler was pretty man handling him, and that's a LHW Cleverly. But you never know, it might just be the styles. I actually thought he looked pretty flashy cause of his hand speed when i saw him irl on the heavy bag. Personally i think he has some tools but he hasn't fullfilled his potential. He should stay at LHW and stack up some wins and some confidence.
     
  11. Loudon

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    I'm going to look into it.

    Very interesting. Thanks.

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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're probably right about him not being able to make the weight. I just wondered what other people thought, because I feel for him. I think there's a few decent fights for him at LHW, but after that, I don't know where he can go.

    I agree that the Kovalev defeat has affected him a lot. I was actually shocked when he announced he was going up to CW. I knew it wasn't a good idea.

    I haven't seen the Fonfara fight yet, but from what I've read, he could definitely have won it had he have implemented different tactics. Maybe he'll get a rematch?

    If he could make SMW, there'd be some great fights for him. An Andre Dirrell fight would be very intriguing, as well as a DeGale fight. I'd have to favour him over Groves, (I think the Froch defeats have a had a huge impact on him) Murray and the Smith Bros like yourself. I like the look of Callum though.

    What's your prediction for Callum's fight against Fielding?


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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loudon, I'll reply to your other posts when I get a chance. I'm feeling really ill at the moment but I'll get round to doing so when I feel better. :good
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Serge,

    You're probably right. To your knowledge, has he ever mentioned SMW at all?

    I'm definitely going to watch the Fonfara fight.

    I've heard this from someone else too. It's a real shame. He turned down the Braehmer fight as well didn't he?

    I think it was a knee jerk reaction wasn't it?

    I thought he'd broke his right hand in the fight. I didn't realise he was just fatigued. I don't rate Tony at all, although he can be entertaining at times. I think Nathan's on another level to him. If Nathan had more power he'd be some fighter.

    I agree that the loss to Kovalev has had a huge psychological effect on him.

    Maybe there's still time?

    Great read. Very interesting.

    Thanks a lot for posting it, I really appreciate it.


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  15. Loudon

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    Hasn't Nathan sparred DeGale as well?