GGG VS Roy Jones : How many Rounds would Jones Last?

It would have been a great fight.

GG's got a great chin, but what would have happened if Roy had've landed a left hook from out of nowhere like he threw against Tate?

I love GG more every time he fights. But I couldn't favour him over Roy, Toney, Nunn and McCallum at this stage. Maybe in the future though.

 

Roy's speed and reflexes at 160 were otherworldly - and that's in combination with one punch KO power. Golovkin is WAY too slow and doesn't have the type of skill needed to deal with Roy @ 160.

Roy would have absolutely CLOWNED a guy like Lemieux.

Jones by brutal KO.

 

Actually, it's kind of slow. The only good thing about it is he's smart enough to fight behind it. If Lemiuex had any idea of how to slip the jab or how to take the jab away - he would have beaten the Triple Duck last night.

 

I still favor Roy, but it gets more interesting for me the more I see of Golovkin. His jab is harder than many MW's power shots.

 

I am sorry you can't appreciate a fighter like Golovkin.

 

I'm a fan of both fighters, so I've played that angle out in my mind, as well.

The reason I wind up going back to GGG is I look at the tools necessary to defeat a young Roy. Nobody is unbeatable, but it takes a rare blend for me to give anyone a better than 50% chance against him.

That fighter would need:
1) Excellent body work, preferably with one punch KO power to the body, but a commitment to it.

2) Durability. Roy is going to land counters no matter how well your own attack is implemented. Being able to absorb them is a must, otherwise the argument is a non-starter.

3) Educated pressure. The pressure will need to have smart & efficient footwork, timing, and technique in cutting the ring off. Roy's too fast if you try to follow him, and a stationary target is worthless against him. Without this, you're left with him potshotting you and picking you apart at range, minimizing the risk to himself.

4) Offensive variety with a disruptive jab. Offensive predictability isn't going to work against Roy. This is what wrecked many against him. Most fighters didn't have enough offensive variety at a high enough level to threaten Roy, so he'd know exactly what was coming at him and how to avoid it or counter it.

5) Conditioning. For a fighter that makes it that far, it's going to take exceptional conditioning to keep the pressure up once Roy begins to slow down from the body work and mental fatigue. He never fought such a fighter in his 160 reign, and forcing him to adapt to what he's uncomfortable with is crucial in undermining his own generalship.

And, finally:

6) 1 punch knockout power with accuracy. Sniper-esque. Because even if that one particular punch never lands to ice Jones, he's going to fight more conservatively himself and limit his own output to protect himself from it.

Even then, I'm not saying Roy has no chance (like I said, I rate him quite highly. I favor one middleweight over the last 20 years against him, and one only).

All I'm saying is if I were creating a fighter in the lab to be Roy's kryptonite, that's the monster I'd create. It just so happens that GGG has the rare blend of tools and attributes to fit that to a T.

Cheers. :good

 

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This. Problem for GGG is he wouldn't be hitting Jones much if at all, and the Jones who fought Toney was damn near unbeatable.

I don't mind a balanced debate on this topic cause it's an interesting question, but it really sucks that so many posters here are just kids and never saw Jones in his prime so they just assume he's some glass jawed pug, when in fact if you took every fighters absolute peak performances and compared them to each other, Jones would likely be in the top 10. For example career wise I'd rate Mayweather higher than Jones, but at their absolute peaks, Jones was the better fighter.

 

I respect that. But it would only get seriously interesting for me, if he was to beat a great fighter like Ward.

At the minute, he's doing what's expected of him. He strikes me as the type of a guy who'd go back and fight anyone at MW if he had access to a time machine though. At the end of the day, he can only fight who's available. But what's happening here, is that he's looking devastating and is fresh in everyone's minds, while Roy is no longer relevant, and the horrible knockout losses are ingrained on people's minds. I'm not referring to yourself, but a lot of guys on this forum, have either got short memories, or they never saw Roy when he was prime. Every guy who GG's fought to this day, would be a walk in, walk out to Roy. He'd have had a birthday against the likes of Murray and Lem. I can understand the excitement, but I think people are getting carried away. The MW's of the early 90's would have brought up some great matches, and at this stage, a lot of them would be favoured over him in my opinion.


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What if RJJ learned fundamentals?

 

Well he did get robbed in the Olympics but to get there you have to have some fundamentals. The biggest problem with Roy is he was such a gifted athlete he could get by on his speed and power alone and never needed to be extremely fundamentally sound.

Much the same as Ali, who's body punch output you could count on one hand. Once their speed left them, both were very hitable, unfortunately for Ali he had a much better chin, which allowed him to win fights most would lose, but it also allowed him to get Parkinson like syndrome.

 

I would like to appreciate Bumlovkin but that's hard to do when he refuses to take on a REAL challenge. There is nothing impressive about knocking over TOMATO CANs...

 

Jones, at his absolute peak, was the complete package. Speed, power, and sick reflexes. There are only a handful of guys in boxing history from 175 on down who would have had a chance against him. Bumlovkin *isn't* one of them...

 

Hell, now that I think about it, 175lb Roy probably beats most of the HW champs prior to the 1960s...

 

RJJ had the fastest hands ever, P4P.