Ward vs Golovkin, who wins Seriously?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: Ward was not a better amateur than Golovkin.

    Ward's record 114-4

    Golovkin's 345-5 or 345-8

    Ward's amateur accomplishments

    Olympic gold 2004
    US National champ at MW in 2001
    US National champ at LHW 2003

    Golovkin's amateur accomplishments

    World Amateur Championships gold medalist 2003 (the World Amateur Championships are just as difficult to win, if not even more so, than the Olympics)
    Olympic silver medalist 2004
    World Junior Championship gold medalist (at LWW) 2000
    Silver and bronze medalist at the World cup (team competition) in 2002 and 2005 respectively
    Gold medalist at the Asian games and Asian championships in 2002 and 2004

    I have no idea how many national championships he won


    And listen to what Virgil Hunter said about how he deliberately kept Ward out of competing in major international tournaments and European duel meets so that they had the element of surprise on all his rivals come the Olympics. :lol:

    ''I never let him [Ward] go to the World Games (think he might mean the World Championships). I never let him go to the Pan Am Games. I never let him go to the Goodwill Games. I never let him go to any European duel meet because I didn't want them to get a tape on him. Because I never heard in professional boxing the world champion, the Goodwill champion, all I heard was bronze, silver or gold medalist. So I knew that you wasn't going to figure him out in 4 x 2 minute rounds and I knew they weren't going to take him serious because of his size and by the time they did take him serious it was too late.''

    --Virgil Hunter
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree, but wins over Froch and Kessler are by far better than any win GG has. GG hasn't really beaten anybody yet.

    I just wish that Chad hadn't been drained when he fought Ward. Had he have beaten a healthy Chad, that would have been a great win for him.
     
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  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Ward is a better pro that's what he is better at that can't be refuted. :deal With that said, Ward's Gold in the Olympics trumps anything GGG did as an amateur.:hi:
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No they aren't. They're proven fighters at world level.

    Both Froch and Kessler have had very good wins.

    Without being disrespectful, guys like Lemieux haven't done anything.

    Euro level boxers?
     
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  5. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    gigi KOs ward. he's never seen that combination of scientific pressure and counter punching at once. gigi is an ATG middle
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No it really doesn't trump anything Golovkin did.

    1 x World amateur champion + 1 x Olympic silver medalist + World Junior champion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 x Olympic gold. :lol:

    It's not even open for debate. Neither is 345-5 or 345-8 vs 114-5
     
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  7. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    Don't let the typical Serge essay of copy and paste filler give you the illusion of clarity and legitimacy. Post sucks.

    Ward is one of the greatest amateur boxers ever. Golovkin is not. Simple as that.
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think it's too early for those kind of predictions.
     
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  9. juliusv555

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    by acomplishments and the fact that ward is smw/ now lhw i would still lean towards him. It's just that we haven't seen enough (yet) of GGG. I think more people will favor him as more time passes. Ward hasn't fought any top competitor in years though. I want GGG to clean out MW in 2016 and maybe look for a fight with ward in 2017.
     
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  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    I used to think you were actually a decent poster but post like this make me re-valuate that opinion.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :rofl

    He won a gold medal in the Olympics after his coach deliberately kept him out of competing in major international tournaments and duel meets so no one could get any tape on him and his rivals wouldn't take him seriously.

    ''One of the greatest amateurs ever'' :rofl

    And he didn't even deserve to win his gold medal after the way he cheated in the semi-final. Excessive holding with a capital E and H got him that very narrow 2 point win. It was scandalous. :patsch
     
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  12. Jake LaMotta

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    Ward fought Dawson three years ago. Even if people want to throw in the horrendous cop out of Dawson being drained, it's a top competitor and a top win. Who in that time frame has Golovkin fought and beat that was or is at that level? I am struggling to even think of someone that could rival a Dawson that would have to make 160 lbs let alone the Dawson that fought Ward.
     
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  13. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    Stop crying Serge, it's not an admirable quality.
     
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  14. Pimp C

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    That Olympic Gold is what GGG would trade over all his other accomplishments as an amateur.:deal And Ward once again holds something over his head.:lol::rofl
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Audley Harrison won an Olympic gold, I'm sure Golovkin would trade his amateur career and accomplishments for his too.

    Pimp C says Audley Harrison was also a better amateur than Golovkin too. :rofl
     
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