28yo RJJ vs Golovkin

How did Roy get so athletic?

 

roy dyes

 

RJ had a bit too much in terms of athleticism, GGG would be outboxed.

 

Hopkins was still a very good fighter in 93. I think he was better than than anyone who GG's fought to date. I don't see how it's a given that GG would have taken him out.

 

If you've seen Jones fight in his prime and know the aura of invincibility he had in the 90's, then you already know the answer.

 

If he was that good in 93, it wouldn't have taken him another 2 years and 2 tries to beat someone of Mercado's level. Many on Golovkin's resume wouldn't need two tries for it.

It's pure revisionism to suggest that 93 Hopkins was better than anyone Golovkin has fought; if that fight were to get made today, GGG would be shredded for taking on such an unproven fighter.

How do I know? Because GGG gets shredded for his level of competition over guys who were way more accomplished than 93 Hopkins.

It took Hops three times to pick up his first title. I'll even give him a pass for the first because Roy was damn good. But getting floored twice against Mercado his next go around shows he wasn't close to the level he gets hyped up to be at that stage in his career today. This is rewriting history, because back then people didn't view him as great or very good. He was a prospect with some potential that was to be Roy's stepping stone. He was an afterthought.

He went on to real greatness, but that's not what he was in 93. He was contender level, and a bit one dimensional and extremely green at that. He was a student of pressure fighting, and he'd have been facing a master in Golovkin. It would've been a slaughter.

This isnt hating on Hopkins. Fast forward 8 or 9 years, then the conversation gets really interesting, as Hopkins style evolved into one extremely well suited for giving GGG fits. Early Hopkins? No chance.

 

Roy gets kayoed by the wind of a GGG jab.

 

Rock0052,

I've never seen their first fight, but a lot of people, including Bernard and his team, think that the altitude affected his performance. But he didn't get beat, and we know that he stopped him in the rematch.

Name me all of the fighters who GG has fought who you think was better than Hopkins.

I agree that if the fight was made today, nobody would have known who Hopkins was. So he probably wouldn't have got a lot of credit for it.

Again, I think you're right.

I agree. Back then we didn't know how good he was and what he'd go on to achieve. But we saw how good he was against Roy.

Although Roy was a bit anxious that night and he'd fractured his hand, I think he'd have beaten some of GG's competition a lot easier than how he beat Hopkins that night.

Why would it have been a slaughter? Of course Hopkins went on to become a better fighter. We know that. But again, we saw the fight against Roy, and bar the first Mercado fight in Ecuador, we saw how good he was.

You're entitled to your opinion. But Hopkins was still a damn good fighter at 28, in 93, despite how his record looked at the time.

I'll be interested to see who you think was better him, who GG's fought. Because it's not Murray, Macklin or Lemieux etc.

 

The short version is that my opinion of Bernard being far too inexperienced at the world level in 1993 hasn't changed, and I wouldn't favor him against any of those names from Golovkin's resume. His best win was a faded 154 journeyman and the shell of Dennis Milton. 1 twelve round fight. No tests, and no decent middleweight opponents.

So, while I don't think he'd go 0-7 against Golovkin's ranked opposition, I doubt he'd escape with a winning record and though I respect your opinion, it's overly optimistic to say that 93 Hopkins was better than anyone Golovkin beat.

There was simply no magic bullet to fake the world level experience he didn't have yet, and he needed it.

And he'd have absorbed a frightful beating if he tried to implement the offense he did in that stage of his career, a poor man's version of GGG's come forward style that Golovkin, a seasoned champion with heavier hands than any middleweight Bernard ever faced, has nearly perfected. He needs all the veteran guile he had no way of having yet to pull off that win or last the full 12.

 

I respect your opinion, and I'm not taking into account Bernard's record. I'm just going on the eye test. He hadn't done a thing when Roy fought him, but both he and Roy were rated highly, and we saw the attributes that he possessed. You only have to watch the fight against Roy to see how good he was. The records of GG's opponents are also irrelevant to me.

I've seen most of GG's fights from the last 3-4 years. Who do you think was better than Bernard, and who would you have favoured against him?

 

https://youtube.com/nR3qbQeo8nY

Speed and Power. Yall must forgot.

 

Also has one of the worst Chins around. They guy was knocked down by Lou Del Valle for christ sakes! GGG would make Jones pea sized head explode

 

I highly doubt that. But you have you'd opinion, I have mine.

 

Yet he's only been down once in a decade and a half while winning titles in 4 different divisions.

 

Don't waste your time.

Rico despises Roy.