Why is Wlad Klitschko Considered an ATG

With me it's all about how well I think he'd do vs. other HW Champs of the past, and I think he would do very well.

He's 64-3 (53) overall and 25-2 (19) in HW World title fights. He has been undefeated for over 11 1/2 years and during this time he has gone 22-0 (15) overall and 19-0 (14) in HW World title fights.

He has defeated many fighters who wore world title belts at one time or another, they are-

Chris Byrd W12 and KO7
Frans Botha KO8
Ray Mercer KO6
Sam Peter W12 and KO10
Lamon Brewster KO6
Sultan Ibragimov W12
Hasim Rahman KO7 (former Lineal HW Champ)
Ruslan Chagaev KO9
David Haye W12
Jean Marc Mormeck KO4
Alexander Povetkin W12

13-1 (8 by KO) vs. these men.

6'6" with an 81" reach and about 245 ripped Lbs. He punches hard, he moves well, he is well prepared and well conditioned. He's been stopped but its been a long time. He only lost once with Manny Steward in his corner, their first fight together... 22-0 (15) since that loss!

I'd put Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Louis, Frazier... and maybe even his big brother ahead of him, and that's about it. Sure, guys like Marciano, Charles, Walcott, Liston, Johnson, Tunney, Dempsey, Norton, and others were great too... but I don't think they'd beat W. Klitschko on most nights.

 

Who past or present (excluding Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, and a few others) would beat him?

 

Well, you are one of the guys that complains about Wlad's clinching, and it's quite clear that Pulev had considered this and had decided to punish Wlad in the clinches.

And you're still complaining? GTFOH ... if Pulev had ground Wlad down like that you'd be praising Pulev's genius. But he lost, so he's just another bum. :tired

 

:good

 

He had haters on here ten years ago that used to ridicule him, well who is laughing now?

 

Because he has held the title for many years and made a plethora of defenses

That said, the division has been weak for some time and Wlad is somewhat flawed.

I think head to head he would lose to many top heavyweights of the past, but you can only beat who is put in front of you, and since a few bad losses early on, he has done what he needed to do to achieve ATG status .

 

Pretty how much I see it.

 

I would not rank Bowe over Wladmir. Wladmir has been champion and dominated his division longer than Bowes entire career.

Wladmir is comfortably in my top ten, ahead of Marciano, Liston and Dempsey.

H2H is a different story though.

 

Quite evident that he's an ATG, unless you have an agenda against him. Really stupid thread.

 

:burger

 

Floyd turned pro the same year Wlad did.

Lets Klitschko Mayweathers resume.

-Floyd gets stopped in 11 by Genaro Hernández because it was his first 12 round fight and he wasn't trained to be a professional 12 round fighter yet despite being a two year pro.

- Floyd fights Genaro Hernández and breaks his hand in the 6th round. Hasn't the versatility to adapt so quits out in his corner.

- Diego Corrales knocks out Mayweather in two rounds

- Aturo Gatti knocks out Maywather in 5 rounds.

- Goes a laborious 12 rounds against a 4 foot tall Ricky Hatton and spends most of the fight leaning down on his back.

Take off Hoya , Manny , Canelo , Marquez , Mosely , Judah , Cotto and replace them with the following and you get something similar to Wlads resume.:

Vivian Harris
Cory Spinks
Ali Funika
Vyacheslav Senchenko
Paul MaCloskey
Paulie Malignaggi
Leonard Bundoo

 

He's ATG , same way Zolt Earedi is ATG- paper stats.

 

Another thread where you bring up Tyson even though it has nothing to do with him

 

He has fought the best of his era and has been dominant, Holmes is considered a great for doing less. Vlad is now months away from40