How good was RJJ at heavyweight?

Roy knew it was about styles. Ruiz was way to slow for Roy. It was a great performance against a carefully selected opponent. Ruiz did well against guys he could grab and maul, Roy was to quick for that and countered Ruiz and his slow punches easily.
Remember Roy turned down a fight with Buster Douglas of all ppl around this time. Douglas was completely washed up but Roy feared his size with his style would be a problem.
Roy loses to most top 10 heavies of the day he may pick off two but he left the division before we found out.

 

Roy would have been too fast for most of the regular sized heavies of that era.

 

Roy on his day could beat any of them.

 

He does well in a pre-1960's era, where the heavies are in the 180-200lb range...

Beginning with Liston, heavies got heavier as a rule. Roy doesn't do well once the average becomes 210lbs+.

 

Ruiz was a good Performance but lets say

Floyd Patterson , Bob Foster , Muhammad Ali (1967) , Dempsey ,
Frazier 1971 , Tyson , etc. - Jones gets knocked out early.

All these guys would knocked out Jones in the first Round or
mabye 2-3. Jones speed in not special for any of these guys and his punches would have no effect.

The higher weights like Foreman , Lewis or Klitschko needs a bit longer
but jones get killed for sure in mid Rounds.

 

Ruiz had the style that was perfect for Jones. Jones is a smart guy, looked around, and realized they were all not going be that easy. I would have loved to seen him fight Holyfield, too bad he did not fight a few more top heavies. He never gave himself a chance to grow into the weight class, get comfortable in it, and gain experience against other heavies.

 

Right. Ruiz is hard to use as a guage for much. and not much later---a heavy version of Toney stood in front of him and scored at will. He tested positive and the result changed, but the fight itself was a 1 way fight.

How big of a silver platter did Ruiz need anyway? A DKP fight and he's in with older and much heavier version of the former middleweight that weighed a ton more than he did stopping Commander Vander. Can you imagine how bad the quiet man gets licked facing that version of Toney?

Even when he won, it wasn't ever easy for Ruiz. Just a bad guage to use for a 1 fight result. I guess like a tko4 result over Ruiz would tell us more and that's not what we got.

 

He obviously wasn't as confident as you are or he wouldn't have ducked every heavyweight with a pulse after Ruiz.

 

Stupidity.

 

good enough to win a single title, but not good enough to win the main one, unify and become undisputed. which is understandable, given no middleweight has done (bob fitz only won one title too, which happened to be main one though since it was the only one of course)

of course this is pretty freaking good by either of them.

its all about the skill level with jones - he could beat the lesser hw titlists who were on the more crude, formula side by using his own certain formula against then, but would get stopped meeting with highly skilled hws.

 

Give me a list of those who never lost to a guy on par or worse than Jones.

 

I wish he wouldn't have moved back down. He could have fought Byrd for the IBF, Toney for the vacant WBC and gone out with a bang vs shot to **** Holy and Tyson.

 

For beating Byrd, a fat Toney & shot to **** Holy & Tyson?

I don't think so.