Why is Wlad Klitschko Considered an ATG

All of your posts don't make sense.

 

ATG tend not to get knocked out by very ordinary fighters. Even in the eightys pre Tyson kiltschko wouldn't have been the man may have one a belt may well have been knocked out by a in shape spoon or bone crusher etc after all the fighters kiltschko got KOed by wouldn't make decent spar partners for these guys.

 

1) People say the same things about Holmes and he is usually ranked as the 3rd best HW in history.

2) People routinely say that Wlad has an ATG left hook, right hand & jab.

The above argument has been old for years now. Get with the times.

 

All of the guys in the 80s except maybe Tyson or Holmes would lose to Povetkin, let alone Klitshcko.

 

I would argue that an all-time great ranking is based on positives, and cannot be completely undone by negatives.

If a guy gets knocked out by a club fighter, then goes on to dominate the division, he is a great fighter.

The fact that he got knocked out by the club fighter might push him beneath other great fighters, but it does not make him less than a great fighter.

 

Do you think the guys who KOed kiltschko would beat all the 80s guys knock them out in short order? no they wouldn't even get a title shot not good enough and yet they flattend this ATG .like I said lack of opposition not greatness not Vlad s fault just the way it is.

 

Don't exaggerate now.

 

The argument against Wlad can only be in terms of skill set.

And that's one I agree with. I don't have him top ten at all tbh.

Atm my top 15 is:

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Liston
Foreman
Holmes
Bowe
Vitali
Frazier
Dempsey
Marciano
Johnson
Wills.

If i'm gonna try and find room for him there I would be thinking of skill set and h2h ability. Everyone in the top ten I favour to beat him comfortably.

I am confident he would beat Jack Johnson out of the next five. Rocky I would have to favour Wlad because Rocky has never ever faced a man of that stature. Wills, if he lands those body shots he probably takes Wlad out. Frazier and Dempsey have a stylistic advantage but if they ship a straight right it's game over.

The next lot of HW guys like Charles, Langford, Jersey, Tunney, Jeffries I would quite confidently pick Wlad.

So for me he's somewhere in the 10-15 category with no way of improving that standing.

 

At 20 he was Olympic champion ,at 24 he beat up a very creditable champion in Chris Byrd. If it wasn't for Tyson's exploits in the later 80s that would a more exceptional achievement. Even today you have Joshua who is three years behind where Wlad was at in 2000. You see the pedigree he had and the career since speaks for itself. Atg by any definition.

 

So which 80's fighters do better than 64-3 if they repeat Wlad's career?

 

No you idiot. It's merely an illustration of how good he was at just 24 and why he has had such a long career. 15 years on he's had ten year reign that's showing little sign of finishing.

 

It's not why I'm wrong. It's what the boxing public's opinion is and it's a majority.

It's clear Wladimir has ATG skills. You don't accomplish what Wlad has without being one of the greatest.

These weak arguments about his chin, stamina, level of opposition are just excuses and they get old especially if people have been saying them for 10 years!

 

I keep hearing this long reign but very little else. You don't ever have to see the guy perform ever to know he has a long dominant streak.

Pinpoint the moments on film that shows his greatness.

Do me a favour . Watch a round here. Any round. Say the 6th round.

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Look at him. Does nothing but slap the arm of a guy half his size. Thats literally all he does for the whole 12 rounds. And that was one of his marquee fights. Top 3 probably.

This guys whole career was shorter than Wlad winning streak , but when you look at him , the greatness is on full show. Beating guys like Wlacott who clearly had some of the greatest skills ever in the division.

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