Talking middle weight punchers

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  1. Mendoza

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    Who hit the hardest among these four?
     
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  2. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Golovkin the hardest of the four, probably Gerald McClellan as the hardest ever.
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monzon, Hagler, and Golovkin are all very durable, and hit very hard. But, I think they are more hurtful punchers who wear you down than solid KO punchers. If I had to pick just one of these four for a one punch KO win, it would be Robinson. (That being said, I consider all 4 of these men to be elite punchers)
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I would say that the hardest punches thrown by any of them belong to Robinson. Fullmer had perhaps the best MW chin in history, and Robinson did this to him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EWPlSHxek

    But I would say the average Golovkin punch carries more steam than the average Sugar punch.
     
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  5. Azzer85

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    Wasn't Julian Jackson at MW?
     
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  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Before arthritis started taking it's toll, Monzon was a very hard hitter, especially the right hand...check out the execution of Nino Benvenuti in their first bout. Carlos had to adapt his modus operendi to a more calculating, ringwise, attrition based style.
    I chose Golovkin, but much needs to be said about SRR and his history of classic, beautiful knockouts executed with either hand.
    Hagler, despite his clobbering of Hearns, was really more of an attrition puncher also.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Sugar Ray often took many rounds and blows landed to finish his guys at middleweight. Other times he took many fighters the distance. Sugar Ray's hook was beautiful, but he just didn't seem to be able to hurt guys with one shot to the head or body as easily as Golovkin can. He also fought with lighter gloves

    GGG has 22 KO's in a row with a 91% KO ratio. The three guys he did not KO were in 8 round fight when he was newer to the game. Everyone else was stopped.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Yeah, it really might be Golovkin who is the hardest puncher.

    The problem is Robinson has stoppages over ATG fighters with ATG chins. Golovkin has stopped John Murray as his best cracked chin, I think. Robinson has LaMotta, Fullmer and others.

    So while it's possibly Golovkin, he hasn't proven it. People who vote for him at best are guessing it is the case; but they may be right.

    Meantime, the main thing is not to make any bizarre, extreme, exaggerated claims about Golovkin's chin being as good as LaMotta's or Robinson being nowhere near the puncher Golovkin is, **** like that. Because that makes you look like a dummy.
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

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    Spot on.
     
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  10. kingfisher3

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    a contest on a punching machine would likely come down to golovkin and monzon and i wouldn't be suprised if golovkin hits it the hardest.

    i've got to take srr as the best puncher tho, mcgrain's posts say why
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    Another fence sitting type of answer. You say it might be Golovkin, but vote for Robinson. Then you guess. Clear as mud.

    None of these fighters have fought the same opponents, so we must judge by the film. Don't discount the difference in glove weight either. It's a huge factor. That would make you look like a dummy.

    This is a puncher's thread, not a chin's thread.
     
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  12. 2piece

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    One could say Golovkin is the hardest puncher, but Robinson is the best puncher over all when accounting for timing, accuracy, and technique.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    1 - I voted for Robinson because Robinson has proven himself the better one-punch hitter.

    2 - I say it's possible that Golovkin may hit harder than Robinson, yes, my mind is open to that possibility - but he very clearly hasn't proven that yet.

    3 - If this is in any way unclear to you, you have a reading comprehension problem. It is very, very simple.

    That's what i've done, and that is what i have been clear about doing all along.

    You, on the other hand, haven't done this - rather you have persisted in using statistics instead. Which makes this part of your post rather ironic.

    Robinson can be seen on films cracking elite ATG chins. Golovkin can be seen on film cracking good chins on middling fighters.

    How film can have led you to the conclusion that Robinson was a lesser puncher than Golovkin is absolutely beyond me.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    At the present time I would go with Robinson. Over a hundred stoppages ,some over ATG's.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

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    Why is it boiled down to just 4 hitters:huh

    Arthur was fierce at the weight. Since when is GGG cracking harder than The King:huh

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