With Wards departure at 168, who's the best SMW in the World?

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  1. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Winner of DeGale vs Badou Jack.
    That's going to be a good fight if they can make it.
    I'd pick DeGale to win.

    Also, are these the fighters some of you people are really clamoring for GGG to go up and fight rather than unify his division? :huh
    Take the Haymon fighters out. Only way those fights happen is if it's a mandatory situation.
    Even with the Haymon fighters in there, is this the "loaded" division that's so much better than MW right now?:rofl
     
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  2. drenlou

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    I think its Abraham 1A, And DeGale 1B... Then theres Badou Jack.
     
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  3. Koba

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    Take out Ward and Froch and there is no real standout at 168.

    I voted Degale but I don't really see him as significantly better than the faded Dirrell that he beat, Jack is looking better than I had originally thought but isn't a level above - Degale - Jack is fight that should happen.

    AA has been looking pretty good doing his thing in the Deutschland recently and I'm very interested in seeing how the Murray fight goes, but there's no reliable means of making a comparison between Abe, Degale and Jack, and no real likelihood of those fights happening.

    Ain't quite sure why Feigenbutz is on the poll - I would have put Zurdo, Mundo or Fielding easily above him in terms of quality prospects.

    Chudinov, despite the good win over Sturm - albeit a faded or lackluster version - is still relatively unproven, and whilst I like him, I think he struggles with Degale, Jack or Abe.

    SMW is wide open right now, with a number of leading contenders and titlists all about the same level. I can't see any current SMW emerging as a clear-cut kingpin in the next year or two.
     
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  4. drenlou

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    Ramirez is a prospect. He has to be given time to bloom into a very good fighter, and that means beating anyone that ive listed. IMO anyways. He still has some ways to go. Fiegenbuts is an interim champ which is why i had him in the poll.
     
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  5. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    Yeah, I listed Zurdo as a prospect - and you are of course correct - he has a ways to go. I'd missed the fact that Fiegenbutz is, amusingly, an interim champ, but his inclusion does make a sort of sense in that context.
     
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  6. drenlou

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    Yeah i agree.. Fiegenbutz could have lost his last fight, from what i hear.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Its a god awful division.

    But as it stands now....

    Degale

    Ramirez

    Chudinov
     
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  8. drenlou

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    Ramirez and Chudinov over Abraham? I respct that, but i have to disagree.. AA is lined up with fighters like DeGale and Jack imo. Ramirez is a prospect.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    At this point I think AA loses to both of them. Degale would handle AA with ease. Although I think AA beats Jack.
     
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  10. drenlou

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    From what i see with DeGale he like to be aggressiive. That type of mentality will not work with a fighter like AA.. Too experianced to let a guy like deGale beat him easily.. Truly the biggest fight at 168 at this moment imo. Ramirez? Imo is not ready yet for a abraham in his young career.
     
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  11. CST80

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    I think he is, he beat Edwards far more impressively than Andre Dirrell, and his win over LHW Vlasov is more impressive than AA's wins over Smith and Stieglitz IMO.

    Degale winning with ease might be an overstatement, but he wins nonetheless. I still think AA's best days are behind him in spite of how decent he's looked lately.
     
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  12. drenlou

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    Ive seen too many prospects get drowned against veterans to understand that prospects has to be something special to prevail. I dont think at his moment Ramirez is a special fighter to top AA imo. He has quite a few ways to go imo. As far as DeGae goes he would have to box a perfect fight much as Ward did to beat AA, or he gets crushed. The Bute fight at least lets us know where DeGale is amongst the best the division offers, and pushes him from title holder to the man at 168 which the poll seems to reflect.
     
    drenlou, Oct 31, 2015
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  13. CST80

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    Two guys you forgot who I think could be a force are Rocky Fielding and Callum Smith, Rocky might be the better of the two.
     
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  14. drenlou

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    To be honest i dont know much about those guys, i would have to look at video to get a good view of them.
     
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  15. CST80

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    Well you need to do your research, Fielding vs Smith is coming up in a few weeks and its gonna be really hard to predict the outcome, but I'm going Fielding by KO.
     
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