Sonny Liston vs. Vitali Klitschko

So than we must consider LaMar Clark an all time great puncher in the heavyweight division because he had 42 ko's in 43 fights, a 92% ko ratio. Is that the logic now being used by boxing fans?

 

kliturd fan -

-quotes redundant 92% ko figure.

- cannot name one good opponent vitali won over





- then relies on naming a fat retired failure from the prevous era as evidence of a good opponent.

-realises they have made boxing history, by being the first boxing fan dumb enough to name a fat failed retiree as a good opponent

- then compensates by elevating fat retired failure to ATG status

 

Stop being facetious. Vitali was HW champ, not Lamar Clark.

 

All of his title defenses are good wins.

 

On the contrary, there are a number of cases where lesser fighters put the same opponent away more quickly than Vitally Klitschko.

I won’t rehash them because I don’t read much into it, just as I don’t read much into knockout %.

 

The problem there of course is 24 of Klitchko's 41 KO's came before he claimed a version of a world title, with the world renowned Alben Belinski the only unbeaten fighter he faced up until he fought for Hide's WBO title.

 

yeah Chris Byrd was a good win....on planet K.


they aren't, but we actually discussing this 92% ko rating, ie his super cruddy pre-title opposition

 

What's your point?

 

And there are a # of fighters who were never stopped before facing Vitali including:

Larry Donald
Kirk Johnson
Chris Arreola
Sam Peter
Vaughn Bean
Odlanier Solis
Tomasz Adamek
Manuel Charr

8 fighters that I count. That's a pretty solid list.

 

It's been brought up a million times. HE LOST. However, it's nearly impossible for Byrd to stop him.

Byrd would have had to knock him out which is obvious he can't do or knock him down 3 times and that barely would have Byrd winning.

All Vitali had to do was run around the ring.

 

In a word, yes.

Here are some of the fighters who were world class in Liston's time and their ranking in The Ring's yearly ratings.

Roy Harris (#4)
Pat McMurtry (#5)
Alejandro Lavorante (#4)
Billy Hunter (#6)
George Logan (#10)
**** Richardson (#9)
Roger Rischer (#eight)
Hubert Hilton (#9)
Billy Daniels (#eight)

If this group, among others, could be world rated contenders, I certainly think Audley Harrison, inches taller and 50 to 70 lbs. heavier, could.

*My position isn't that the heavyweights of the last 20 years or so are all world beaters, but they are so much bigger than earlier generations of heavyweights that if you are going to go on fantasy match-ups, or flipping them into earlier eras, they are going to match up very well.

It all boils down to I think size matters.

 

There isn't a single lineal champion I would favour Harrison over.

Even Bob Fitzsimmons who is arguably the weakest of all lineal champs h2h, even him I would expect to knock out Harrison in a matter of rounds.

 

MaCline's shots had more effect on Peter than Vitali's did.

If MaCline wasn't grossly out of shape and over weight , he would've knocked Peter out in only the second round.

If Vitali is so hard hitting , what does that Make MaCline?

 

"A bum."

And what is George Logan who lost three fights to Tom McNeeley but was still a top ten fighter back then?