Tommy Burns Bludgeoning Gunner Moir

Beautiful video. Burns was impressive.....nice balance, side to side movement with jabbing, combinations. Best video I have seen of Burns.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ring-Tommy-Bu...=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446301012&sr=1-3

 

Nice find, thanks. Burns was good... Moir was dirty.

 

You should see Burns vs Bill Squires. It was a KO in 1, and I think Burns best-filmed effort. His moment and hitting power look best below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDIXdef9rU

I do think Burns looks all right in this film, but to take 10 rounds to KO Moir is nothing to be proud of.

Hauge iced Moir in one round.
Curran iced Moir in one round
Young Johnny Johnson KO'd Moir in two rounds.
A fighter named Harry Slounch Dixon KO'd Moir in 4 rounds.

 

Dixon and Wilson did it when Moir was green, in only his 3rd and 4th pro bouts, in 1903. Burns stopped Moir in 1907, after Moir had won 11 bouts in a row, including winning the British heavyweight championship. Moir did not fight for well over a year after that brutal beating that Burns handed him, so I doubt he was the same when Hage KO'd him quick.

 

Apollack.

I didn't even mention Wilson.

Wilson was rather new as well, at least according to box rec. Moir was his Wilson's 8th fight, and leading up to it Wilson only had two stoppages. Not exactly the sign of a puncher.

Moir was KO'd pre-prime, prime and post-prime, and very early in many cases.

Hague vs. Burns pre-Jackon Johnson could have been a good one while it lasted. I'd favor Burns, but also think Hauge could have been the best puncher Burns fought.

 

Then I would have made a fortune. Moir's jaw was certified glass long before this fight.

Burns finished lesser fighters quickly. So the " give the crowd their monies " worth seems to be a bit of a stretch.

The fight report I read concurs. Moir hurt Burns with two smashing rights to the jaw that had Burns holding on in a clinch in the 4th round. From here Burns fought more cautiously.

There you have it.

 

Bottom line is a fight should be judged by how it was perceived at the time it occurred. At that time, the Brits thought highly of Moir, backed him, paid Burns well for the fight, the British paid high ticket prices to attend, and Moir was so well thought of he was only a slight 5 to 4 underdog.

The London Daily Express said,
I know of no better representative of modern fighting than Moir. … His recent victories over Palmer and ‘Tiger’ Smith demonstrated that he has a terrible punch. … I think tonight he will surprise even some of his friends, as he is far quicker than most people think, and, so far as punishment goes, he will take as much as any man living. He is the old type of British ‘bulldog,’ game to death.

 

Adam,

My perception is very different. The London Daily Express should be embarrassed with this write-up as Moir's ability to absorb punishment was overrated. They make it sound like he's ultra durable.

Moir's record prior to Burns was just 12-3, and he was stopped twice early. Moir's win over Palmer was via Dq, and Smith has but one listed fight in Box Rec prior to meeting Burns.

This is a case of the Brittish hyping their own. This has not changed in over 100 years.

 

Do you ever get the idea that Burns might be a little bit underrated?

 

He wasn't held in high regard in his time as Champion. Essentially he was a blown up middleweight who was rather active. I'd pick every lineal champion before him, save Hart and all after him up to Tunney to defeat Burns....and quite a few contenders.

Underrated maybe in skills fo the time, but outside of Johnson who called Burns the easiest man he fought at the time, did Burns ever beat say a top 15 guy from 1890-1920? Maybe if you put Hart in there.

 

Hard men them!