Without a doubt, The Greatest Heavyweight Champ ever

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I happen to like Jennings and think that he's better than a gatekeeper. But that's just me.. What else does Povetkin have to do at this point to prove himself at the highest level?
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sanders was on the undercard all right. He won an 8 round decision over a 5'10, 264lb 12-11-1 fighter, who went on to lose to every remotely decent boxer who stepped in the ring with him. After that, Sanders fought a string of mediocrities until he was stopped by Rahman. At what point did Lewis start ducking him? What is the basis of your claim for saying so?
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I seem to recall him being ranked in the lower half of the alphabet ratings back in the 90's.. But it was short lived. Certainly not a claim that could be used to say that Lewis "ducked" him at any point.
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very true, but you can't blame him for the era he's fought in any more than you can blame other greats for their era's that may or may not be scrutinized. I'm no fan of Wlad the fighter, but he has become an allb timev great more so on his longevity and dominance rather than his ledger.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What do you like about Jennings? He doesn't do anything particularly well and doesn't have particularly impressive power, speed, or skills.

    I'd like to see Povetkin perform well against more top 5ish heavies before I treat him as some kind of signature victory for Wlad.
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I like his boxing style.. he has good generalship, decent conditioning, good stamina and mobility.. Can take a pretty good shot too.. He's no Muhammad Ali but if placed back in the 90's I think he does well against the likes of Morrison, Mercer, Seldon, Damiani, Cooper, Norris, etc... Those guys were legitimate fringe contenders and I think he can beat most of them...

    So maybe a fight with Wilder, Fury or Glazkov? Okay fair enough.. But frankly I don't have a problem with Povetkin's career or resume... The man has been ranked in the top 10 for 9 consecutive years and ranked in the top 3 for about 6 of those years.. He's beaten decent opponents in Eddie Chambers, Marco Huck, Carlos Takem, Mike Perez and aging versions of Chris Byrd, Larry Donald and Cedric Boswell.. Its a pretty damn good record if truth be told.. His sole defeat thus far is a decision to a man who will no doubt make most people's top 10..
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    If your gonna be a troll try to the best troll you can be. I`m not proud of you but I`m sure other trolls out there are.
     
  8. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How about beat some good HW s?
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I agree that he has those attributes and that he could probably outbox some of the fringe contenders from better eras. But I don't think that a win over him (or wins over them) are all that impressive in the context of historical comparisons between ATG heavies.

    Sure, wins over those guys would certainly establish him as a dominant heavy and make Wlad's win against him even more impressive.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True but not every win a champ acquires is going to be a historical landmark.. And remember, Jennings career isn't over yet. I seriously doubt that he'll achieve anything great.. But if he stays focused and fit, I think he can remain relevant for the next several years.


    I edited my last post and said a few more things.. Okay fair enough.. But frankly I don't have a problem with Povetkin's career or resume... The man has been ranked in the top 10 for 9 consecutive years and ranked in the top 3 for about 6 of those years.. He's beaten decent opponents in Eddie Chambers, Marco Huck, Carlos Takem, Mike Perez and aging versions of Chris Byrd, Larry Donald and Cedric Boswell.. Its a pretty damn good record if truth be told.. His sole defeat thus far is a decision to a man who will no doubt make most people's top 1
     
  11. janitor

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    The only fluid aspect of his resume now, is what happens after his reign.

    Who goes on to claim the crown in the future, probably has more bearing on his legacy now, than who he can defeat next.

    In terms of beating fighters like Fury and Wilder, he would just be rearranging the rubble.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Oh the alphabet rankings well most boxers got ranked in them! What win in the 90's would have given him a top ten rating in any credible organization or magazine?
     
  13. Sangria

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    Sanders was knocking out guys rather quickly and put up a winning streak that lasted a while. But he never really got a chance to prove himself against the very best until late in his career. I remember a guy like Alex Garcia in the early 90's who wasn't even beating fringe contenders, but Ring was ranking him in the upper half in their ratings.

    But to answer your question, the only win that should've gotten him ranked was the Wlad blitzing.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't blame him I just rate him accordingly, and the next exciting fight he is in will be his first.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    the reason being he never got in thatb position to do so.

    alrthough by some bizarre magical event on retirement and being shot aged 37, he got a world title shot from wlad, presumably for being old and shot and retiring.

    wierder thing is, you'd call him a bum if he hadnt got that one shot.