Will Wladimir end up as the greatest HW of all time?

Will go down as an ATG, as he is already even if Fury KO'd him, but not GOAT.

 

stop throwing your toys out the pram just because someone disagrees with some of your opinions even though they agree with others of yours. that's just childish.

why are you taking great pains with a whole paragraph to explain this when a sentence would do? You know why, because you still need to convince yourself.

he isn't a HW great, so that's fine, but yes none of the real greats have such bad unavenged losses to journeymen. now stop comparing fat failure retiree sanders to atg spinks etc.

 

As long as he can still collect his benefits, la la land is fine by him.

 

In a HEAD TO HEAD match up, Wlad beats ANYBODY other then Lennox Lewis, Vitali and possibly Ibeuachi pre prison.

 

He is an ATG, no matter what happens in his next fight.
But he isn't the GOAT.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Its close between Lennox, Wlad and Holmes.

 

No.

To me, he would have to Louis' record just to get in the top 5. The comp just wasn't great and the losses hurt.

By the way, the WBO title doesn't count, and if you count that nothing title, then you ahve to count Joe Louis two defenses fo the British Boxing board championship, brining him to 27.

I have Wlad as 6.

 

Ibeabuchi? You gotta be kidding me! Based on what? A KO victory over a blown up supermiddle in Byrd and a disputed decision over a mediocre HW contender in Tua?

Ibeabuchi is the most grossly overrated HW of all time. He doesn't belong in the same zip code as guys like Lewis, Wlad or Vitali, let alone the same sentence!

 

I'll never understand the people who hype Tua, and Ibeabuchi as these head to head killers. Tua lost every major fight of his career, struggled with almost every capable HW he fought, and Ibeabuchis career was over just as it got started.

 

This.

 

It's the most ludicrous myth-making in modern boxing. Drives me crazy. There is NO justification for the extreme overrating these guys receive - particularly Ibeabuchi, who had exactly TWO fights against live bodies, one of which arguably should have been a loss!! atsch

And somehow his name deserves to be mentioned with ATGs??? Based on what, exactly?

 

The guy who was KTFO by Corey Sanders? You're kidding right. I don't see him top 10.

 

I'll take Sanders over LHW Spinks any time

 

No. He had his chance a few years ago. He has been ko'd 3 times in his prime...and his comp won't allow him to be able to ever reach that status alt.