Who have better left hook Morrison or Frazier?

He's been down a few times. So what? He was tired and off-balance when Frazier caught him, and he pretty much popped right back up. It's no fluke that we didn't see anything like that in later fights. I don't get how you can compare that to a punch that puts somebody's lights out.

 

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, people like Art Tucker and Carl Williams will be easier to put to sleep than someone like a Muhammad Ali.

Most of these so called big punchers like Morrison, Peter, Wilder etc look great at KOing cans, but as soon as that competition level goes up, the knockouts disappear.

And seeing as you said Ali was down a number of times. I'll ask you, how many times was Ali dropped in the 70s?

 

Dempsey?

 

I can answer that for you. Once. That was the only time Ali was dropped.

 

There's nothing "so called" about it-- those guys were/are VERY big punchers. I completely disagree with this boxrec-based approach of judging punching power and I think you greatly underestimate how rare and difficult it is to completely flatten numerous professional heavyweight opponents (btw, virtually all of Frazier's true kos came against underwhelming opposition too).

Twice?

 

No offense, but it seems like you are stretching the criteria by which we normally answer questions like this in order to exalt Frazier. Speed isn't a key measure of "who has the better hook" unless it leads to more power or better knockouts. And while I can kind of see using it to describe jabs, it seems weird to say that someone has a better hook than someone else because he throws it in higher volume. Also, Frazier's hook doesn't seem noticeably more accurate to me. By contrast, Morrison's seems noticeably more powerful and damaging. Why can't we just admit that Frazier was a better boxer and Morrison had a better, more devastating hook?

 

The thread starter asked who had the better left hook, Morrison or Frazier? I wasn't aware that we were limited to "power" as being the ONLY criteria.. And incidentally if we even were, its kind of a hard thing to measure..

 

Yeah definitely, he was nearly out of there in the 11th.

 

I've always thought that when people ask "who had the best [x power punch]," it was very well understood that power and destructiveness were the principal criteria. The speed of a hook is ancillary to those things and the volume in which punchers throw hooks is a completely different attribute altogether. Anyway, no biggy-- we're all entitled to come up with our own criteria, I guess.

 

Frazier put Ali down and hurt him many times so I think he had a top shelf left hook ....Frazier

 

I suppose it depends how you grade these things. I don't think Frazier had top end power. He was a grinder.imo

 

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=443C9B0E7AF1F62F39C0443C9B0E7AF1F62F39C0

That hook at the 13:58 mark looked pretty devastating. Ellis was a good contender and Frazier took him out of the fight with big left hooks, especially that one.

 

correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't Morrison a natural right hander while Smokin Joe was a natural lefty?

that would appear to be why Joe's was stronger and quicker (IMO)

 

Ali was knocked down four times in his career. So far as I recall only Henry Cooper's punch came close to finishing the match.

For the record, I though Jerry C.o.o.ney's left was the hardest of them all. However, he lacked quickness and technique so that he needed a stationery target for the left to be fully effective.

 

Ellis was retired on his stool.
The best heavyweight that Frazier kod was a faded 188lbs Doug Jones who had lost his last 2 fights and who, a few months later would be stopped,[also in 6 rds], by 12 fight novice Boone Kirkman.