lets have a serious discussion about the canelo/ggg cw matchup

my "ordinarily wouldnt meet" line does apply here......because without cw's cotto and canelo wouldnt have held the mw belt and we wouldnt be talking about them meeting ggg

i too would choose option 1...unfortunately the world we live in isnt fair and perfect.....

 

The problem is that cw's exist, the fighter's are only taking advantage of a opportunity given to them. And who gets that advantage falls in line with who gets every other advantage out there ..the more popular fighter.

 

That is just looking at the smaller picture. You need to look at the big picture. One of the biggest gripes with boxing amongst non fans, ex fans and casuals is the sport being messy; many weight divisions, four major world titles per division, no consistent methodology to rankings, the recent addition of silver, super, diamond, whatever belts, etc. Unnecessary catchweights also add to the confussion.

Now, i am not against CWs, per se. Sometimes they are necessary. However, a CW for Canelo v GGG is completely unnecessary as both guys enter the ring at a similar weight and Canelo is a title holder in the weight class that GGG fights in.

 

I don't understand why Canelo wants cw, he would be even better at 160.

 

He wants the advantage, since he's only 25 it have the much of a negative effect on him right now but it might have on a 33 year old Triple G.

 

I agree that the current boxing landscape isn't fair and perfect, but, as fans, we should expect better and not let this nonsense happen.

Fighters, and more so, promoters will at times do anything to get an upper hand. If what they do is bad for the sport then that is when fans should speak out. Fans in most sports are the moral arbitors of the sport. When they start letting people within that sport get away with business that tarnishes that sport then the sport starts going downhill.

 

I don’t think he does want a catchweight, posters are just making it seem like he does because their fighter (Pac or Floyd or Cotto) used catchweights to drain opponents, unlike Canelo who never did that to his opponent.

I think he would be even better at 160, but he shouldn’t rush to go to 160 if he can have Title Fights at 154-lb.

 

That's easy to say but, it doesn't take into consideration that the very things being complained about were actually implemented to gain viewership. More belts, meant fights that "were more significant" cw's meant, more dream fights were made possible. More weight division's meant fairer fights etc. These things were all implemented to gain viewership, that tells me, boxing has always had it's problems.

 

So he really doesn't believe he can beat GGG at 160?
Well at least he's honest with himself.

 

Goldenboy doesn't want to lose their cash cow.

 

Boxing has always had problems, the messiness of it is just a newer problem.

Boxing is no where near as popular as it was decades ago. There are many reasons for this. This increased, newer confusion to the sport is not going to help.

Also, all the above aside, in the case of GGG and Canelo, does it not seem unsavoury that one fighter would try to weaken another fighter instead of competing on a level playing field? Add in the fact that this boxing. We are not talking about a pair of wimpy, scared girls. These are meant to be tough men. Fighters.

 

Scenario 1: Canelo's asks for the cw, he does not get the cw and the fight is not made, who cares? Everyone seems to believe G wins with a catch weight, so without one, it sounds like a fight so bad it's not even worth seeing anyway.

Scenario 2: Canelo asks for the cw, and gets the cw, we see the fight.

I just don't see how putting all the blame on one fighter when he is only using what's available to him makes sense, especially when, the popular consensus is that he loses with that cw anyway. And, seeing as how he loses anyway, actually makes the case for a cw for him.

 

I don't care about popular consensus. If we are going to go on that then why bother having fights? Lets just vote for whos best and would win a proposed match up.

As i said earlier, a fight at 160 is best as both fighters would be more comfortable. Anything below that then it could potentially weaken GGG and it takes away from Canelo's victory if he wins.

As for Canelo using whats available to him; i hate that mind set. Not just in boxing - in all sports and life. Its just an excuse to get an unfair advantage. It's even more sickening to see boxers do it who claim they will fight anyone. Now, i would rather see the CW than no fight at all, but it would dent Canelo's achievement if he wins and it would dent him as a fighter for me. I personally love how Canelo has acted throughout his career. He fights the p4p number 1 fighter before he is even in his prime, gets beat and then fights Lara; a stylistic nightmare and avoided fighter. He has also fought guys with varrying styles. Up to now he trully has been a typical Mexican who takes on all comers. He shouldn't ruin it by turning into a diva and deliberately weaking a strong opponent.

 

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Well now, here's a post I can completely agree with. Though it's because of the reasoning highlighted that we are talking. I just don't believe in complaining for the sake of complaining.

If I'm gonna watch the fight anyway I feel like I hypocrite to endlessly complain about it. I just look at the bright side (the fight happens, and it might be more competitive with the cw) and keep going.

And I just don't like the way these boards end up to into big soap opera's where everyone just complains about what's happening, instead of enjoying that it's happening. When we can better spend our time talking about what we believe is gonna go down with a fight that is happening and why.

Like right now, instead of complaining about something beyond our control, we can examine if G wins with a catch weight. I believe he does, because he was willing to go through with one, and because Canelo feels like he needs it.