T.K.O. in 6

Rewatched this,very clever win by Lennox, he adapted well after losing the first 2 rounds. Once he cut Vitali he continually targeted the cut and must have landed 40 or 50 punches just on the cut. He managed to make more cuts around the same area. When he realised he was losing the fight on the outside he throw more hooks and started using the uppercut in the final round.

1. You don't seem to know what a backhand is, that isn't one.
2. Heads meet all the time in boxing, this clash of heads had the power taken off it by Lennox's elbow first landing on Vitali's chest and blood is visible from the first punch. Lennox hit the eye before and after then continually targeted the eye with jabs, rights and hooks. The cut got worse and worse and more cuts happened

No he didn't, he got slower after and didn't develop his skill set. He was already 32.

Seriously?

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So 2 deep eyelid cuts that could meet and split the eyelid apart, leaving the eye vulnerable to permanent damage. What do you think necessitates a cuts stoppage?

Did you not notice his corner sterri stops on after the stoppage? They botched it but it holds the cut together like a stitch if done properly. Also note Vitali doesn't complain about the defeat until the steri strips are on.

If you want to blame anything for Vitali's loss, blame him for not keeping his left hand up and his corner for not patching the cut up and not even knowing how to put steri strips on properly.

Because Lennox realised he was too old, he was 38 and had been talking about retiring since the second Holyfield fight. He was hanging in their for more Tyson money.

Vitali and Lennox have now moved on and are good friends who meet up and hang out with friends and family. Maybe fans should too.

 

Sorry Magoo. None of the fights you listed had the demand for the re-match that Vitali vs Lennox did. That is the truth of the matter. The money, media hype and anticipation were extremely high, and Lewis said he would do it.

You gave some examples. Some were decent but, I explained why they don't quite measure up.

In addition, there was an ordered rematch here. The fights you listed did not have one. Take the fight or lose your title were the terms!

Let's here what others think. I think if you can acknowledge some points you'd be a better poster.

PS: Don King was not going to let Byrd rematch Vitali as long as he had Byrd signed and a spare belt for his round robin of Golota, Ruiz, Byrd, TOS, and Rahman fiasco could play.

What re-match do you think Vitali should have given? He clearly beat every man he faced by a gigantic margin on the cards for the few who went the distance. Everybody else was stopped.

 

Powerpuncher,

You are wrong on many levels.

I'll keep it short.

Yes, it was a backhand swipe. Did you see the video. Also the swipe was over the area of the bad cut.

Prior to the match, Lewis said he could be around for a while longer!

Post Vitali Lewis tried to get matches with Roy Jones, Kirk Johnson ( in Canada ) and Tyson! He was not retired and said he would give Vitali a rematch. The WBC ordered a rematch. That retired Lewis!

Lewis was 37, NOT 38. Vitali was 31, not 32!

Heck Yes, Vitali got better as his career continued.

 

Lewis was on his way out of the sport, there was no reason to watch Vitali beat up a washed-up shell of what was once a great fighter. It would have meant nothing and Lewis was financially secure so he made the smart choice, both for his health and legacy.

It would have been a different tale if the fight had happened in the mid 90s.

 

That was not a backhand. It was a right hand and the thumb part of the glove hit is eye. Probably due to Vitali pulling back and the punch glancing off his shoulder.

 

First of all you never said anything about money or media hype. You asked which fights were more deserving of a rematch over the past 20 years... De lay hoya vs Trinidad was a fight between two prime stars and national heroes in their respective countries and ended with far more controversy. Their first meeting generated 71 million dollars and a rematch likely would have generated more.. A similar case can be made between Sweet pea and Golden Boy.. And how many people to this day still give Wlad grief for never fighting Sanders again?
You gave some examples.

No you didn't. You just seem to change your position as time goes on.

Fair enough.

So did Lewis with the exception of Mercer which I already acknowledged should have gotten a rematch.. But he either stopped everyone else or beat them soundly on the cards.. And let's just say that men like Frank Bruno, David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Shannon Briggs, Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golata were just a little better than Danny Williams, Kirk Johnson, Manuel Char, or Chris Arreola.

 

Might as well close the thread and black ball this topic altogether from future discussions.. There simply is no winning an argument against someone who won't give up despite proven facts, available film, and points that are long debunked.

 

The fact is Vitali could have won every round leading up to the stoppage, and he still would have, and should have, lost the fight. Another fact, is that Lewis never fought again, so it's pretty hard to label that he ducked anyone.

Duck means avoid, he didn't avoid anyone, he retired.

I once had someone try and argue that Lewis was a very poor sportsman because he purposely targeted the eye after it was cut. Seriously.

This is about the level of your argument with the backhand swipe, the headbutt, the Cornish hair rubbing into the cut, hell I've heard it all. And all I can say is you Klitchko fanatics are a deranged bunch.

 

Debunked what?

Which of the fights that you mentioned were ordered for re-matches? List names, please.

Which of the fights you mentioned did the other fighter ( the winner ) said he'd give the re-match? List Names, please

Which of the fights you mentioned do you think had as good of action? List names, please?

Which of the other fights that you mentioned was stopped on a technicality where the guy up on points lost? There are no named here!

And finally which of the fights you mentioned had an $18,000,000.00 purse waiting for the winner? List names, please.

Sorry Magoo, you're wrong. Answer the above questions and I'll read and give you props on any correct point you make. I'll stand on saying this was the biggest potential re-match in the past 20 years.

 

De lay hoya wanted a rematch with Trinidad and so did his fans.. Are their wishes just as valid as Vitali's? You seem to think that boxing as we know it ceases to exist below 200 lbs.. Fans have been *****ing for ages about Wlad never fighting Sanders again.. Whitaker should have gotten a rematch too... I give up on this topic... After nearly a decade of debating this with you and explaining my position ad naseum I think its time for another endeavor.... Take care...

 

Nope. Lewis said he would give the re-match, talked to the press, then balked when the rematch was ordered. He ducked ( AVOIDED IT ) Van, and did, in fact, try to make other matches and said he would be around for a while longer prior to the fight! So much for Lewis acting like he was " retired ".

The video is there to see. I can't say for sure exactly what caused the cut, but I can say cuts like that are rare and most often happen with a clash of heads, or laces, NOT from a punch. Fighthews.com by the way clearly reported the cut was from loose tape on Lennox's glove by the way.

Lewis won the fight on cuts. Vitali won the event. Lewis avoided the re-match.

 

Yes. Most of Sven Ottke's big fights, but particularly Robin Reid - that was a true robbery.

 

ebunked what?

Which of the fights that you mentioned were ordered for re-matches? List names, please.

Which of the fights you mentioned did the other fighter ( the winner ) said he'd give the re-match? List Names, please


Which of the fights you mentioned do you think had as good of action? List names, please?

Which of the other fights that you mentioned was stopped on a technicality where the guy up on points lost?

And finally which of the fights you mentioned had an $18,000,000.00 purse waiting for the winner?

Sorry Magoo, you're wrong. Answer the above questions and I'll read and give you props on any correct point you make.

Okay then! There was no ordered re-match in the fights you listed. The fights you listed had less action. And the money wasn't up to the amount that was offered vs Klitschko vs. Lewis. You can stop posting on this topic as I own the facts ad naseum. Kltischko vs Lewis had the biggest demand for re-match

Now I see you are shifting the topic. Wlad didn't get a chance to re-match Sanders. Vitali beat Sanders, and Sanders did not work his way back into contention / was too old. Wlad also lost in 2004 to Brewster which made a re-match a bit harder. But Wlad did give out re-matched to three other fighters, including Brewster who beat him.

 

Well I've seen the fight numerous times and I've never seen any loose tape, and it's pretty standard for a ref to stop the action if he sees it, so obviously he never. Mind referencing in one of the many video's on Youtube exactly when you see the loose tape.

What a fighter says after a fight, is completely meaningless.

I could promise you a rematch and when the discussions start you could ask for 80% of the purse, and if I don't agree to it, I'm ducking because I promised you one after a touch fight when someone put a microphone in my face? Is that your position?

As for whether or not he tried to make other fights, the last fight I'm aware of what a TKO 6 win against Vitali Klitschko. I'm unaware of any other fights that took place involving Lewis after that.

You really should start focusing on facts, rather than mere speculation, I assume you possess the intelligence to distinguish between the two, although sometimes I wonder.

 

vits crushed lewis by letting lewis destroy his face and stop him before halfway?

yes, a plan fresh outta Planet Kliturd.