Cotto isn't even close to ATG

Personally, i am not really interested in titles. For me it is opponents beaten, so i am not to fussed if he won vacant titles.

His loses to Pac and Floyd are forgivable as they are two top level ATG's. Those losses don't tell us that Cotto is not great. They just tell us that he is not on their level.

The Marg fight is controversial because of what happened afterwards so this fight will always have an asterisks next to it.

Cotto actually beat Clottey. This fight, plus the Mosley fight where close, but, Cotto won both.

Cotto is certainly no ATG, but he is one of the better fighters of this generation. His resume is better than most.

Anyway, now that is out of the way, can you answer my original question; how has his career been carefully managed?

How does a guy who is carefully managed fight the two best fighters of his generation when he himself is a massive underdog, fights Margo when Mayweather wouldn't, fights an extremely tough and awkward opponent in Clottey in his first meaningful fight after his first loss, fights an awkward and undefeated opponent in Trout after his loss to Mayweather and gives up a tonne of weight to Canelo. If Cotto's career has been carefully managed then he really needs to fire his management team.

 

Only Puerto Rican Fighter to win Major Titles in 4 weight classes! If that doesn't constitute an ATG i don't know what does..

 

Whilst this will get him into the HOF it wont make him an ATG due to there being more world titles around these days. Also, Pac and Floyd have made it fashionable to move up in weight and pick up a title.

ATG's staked their claim on a weight division. They don't just pick up a belt and move on up again.

 

Really? Damn.. And here I thought he reads these forums every day and notices my opinion. GODDAMNIT!

OT: Yeah, he's a very solid, good fighter but lacks the talent or the resume to be considered a true great IMO.

 

Who did Cotto Duck? Last time i remember he was the Man at 140, 147, 154 and 160.... Dont want to hear GGG....

 

He was a titlist in these divisions.

These days titles don't hold the same weight as they used to. Resume is the most important thing.

For me, Cotto has a HOF resume, but not an ATG resume.

 

At 140 I thought he was Better Then Hatton.... At 147 when Floyd was gone he was Clearly the number 1 guy until he Lost to Margarito. At 154 he was the Best there, Canelo was Green, TRout was an unknown... 160 Martinez was shot but was still the Lineal champ in the division.. Imo Cotto is an ATG..... Do you think Shane Mosley is an ATG? What about Oscar?

 

Mosey beat him too

Cotto was on his bike most of the fight

 

He may have been better than Hatton at 140 in your eyes, but he never proved it.

The same at LMW.

I like Cotto. I have even been defending him earlier on this thread, but i just don't see him as an ATG.

I also don't see ODLH or Mosley as ATG's.

 

Cotto has a better Resume then Canelo at the moment but if Canelo beats a guy who's Resume is nothing to brag about like GGG then i guarantee you, that you will have people on here saying Canelo is an ATG.. Just for beating a guy who his fans annointed with this monsterous reputation while not having fought one Elite fighter in his career. Cotto lost to Pac, Canelo, And Floyd but Floyd beats all three and people say is career is overated, WTF.. Cotto Has earned his status.

 

Ricky Hatton was never willing to fight outside of the UK so that fight was never going to materialize anyways. Who was the Champ at 154, i dont even remember?

 

The most amazing thing for me is that people actually picked him over Canelo?? I could see no rational thinking that would make someone think that. Clearly just people letting bias rule their opinions as usual on here

 

In regards to your previous post; some people on here may say Canelo is an ATG if he beats GGG, but, that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Hatton fought 10 times outside of the UK; 9 times in America and once in Germany.

When Cotto was 154 champ i don't think anyone had really stamped their claim to be top dog in that division if i remember correctly.

 

I have the utmost respect for Cotto, but you are stretching it. Cotto may have well been better than Hatton at 140, but he never proved it. Hatton became "the man" there, Cotto had little to do with the best in the class. Pacquiao was certainly Cotto's superior at 147, Trout was so at 154, and I don't know many people who think Cotto was the best 160-pounder with Golovkin around. The truth is Cotto has never been the best in any class he has competed at and many of his title wins were set-ups--Kelson Pinto, Carlos Quintana, Michael Jennings, and Yuri Foreman, come on.

His best wins don't say ATG either.

 

People were saying he was after beating Martinez because he is the first PR fighter to win world titles in 4 divisions.

I said then and now, we should look at the whole context: how many titles are around now, whom he beat for the titles, how many reigning champs he dethroned. Wilfred Benitez's titles in 3 divisions were far more impressive than Cotto's 4 when you look at whom he beat and the fact that there are twice as many recognized world titles now.

Cotto's a "very good" fighter and a future HOFer.