Wlads h2h rank drops

Tonight gave evidence that he'd have problems with Ali (head movement) and Lewis (stringer in the clinches). But he didn't drop that much because his prime is done already.

 

Disagree. Four months from 40 losing to a six foot eight, 27 year old is nothing to diminish his standings. He barely lost too. Yes he did lose around 8-4 but he really wasn't outclassed. He just didn't throw enough. Sign of eroded reflexes and age. Plus Fury showed that he is better than many thought and very game which many of us knew. Guys like Lewis and Ali were already retired by this age. People are sorely underestimating what Wlad accomplished. Nine and half year reign and 18 title defenses is remarkable. He's a h2h beast. His run couldn't last forever. I'm as shocked as any that it was Fury to do it but so be it. Hats off to Fury on a good fight and believing in himself to the utmost.

 

His loss tonight only reveals his shortcomings against shifty mobile giants who can control distance and score from the outside. The only other ATGs who come close to fitting that description are Lewis and Vitali, imo.

 

I never had him ranked that highly, I just think he was right for his era. I believe that if he was dropped in a lot of different times he wouldn't be a champion. He would always compete but, not always be a champion.

 

No his best is far behind him. This was bound to happen one day..

 

Not necessarily.

A. We don’t really know how far back he has gone yet.
B. We are not sure exactly how good Fury is yet.

Things will become apparent in a couple of years.

 

I rank him the same now as I did before his loss last night.

 

I'm saying yes.

Last night showed thathe can be totally nullified by quicker hands and feet if he person has a comparable reach.

 

Klitscko was never that great to begin with.

 

Depends what you mean by that great.

His reign speaks for itself if people measure greatness om those factors.

In terms of skill he would beat almost any boxer in history, even if it is down to having longer hands.

He's definitely someone I class as great, maybe just not as great as I once thought.

 

You can't sniff at Wladimir's reign though I think last night underlined something which has been true from day one - he's clueless when not in the driver's seat. He was reacting to every one of Fury's feints, pulling his right hand, almost amateur traits that surface when the onus is on the Ukrainian to make it happen.

It also says a lot about this stagnation of styles I have spoken of in the past - too many big guys relying on drowning their opponent with jabs and clinches. He who controls the distance wins because there are no dynamic, come-forward heavyweights. There was some nice head movement by Fury but the essence of the game plan was the same - he stole Klitsckho's role whose inability to ad-lib left him a nervous wreck, stalling when he should have been trying to leap in behind the hook.

Pride wants a rematch but after the shock of the upset dies boxing faces another awful affair which is a shame when it has some potential to bubble.

 

Agree. He proved he has problems with guys as big as him who uses an understanding of Klitschko in his gameplan.

 

Agreed, If a fighter as uncoordinated as Fury is can completed take him out of his game, Fury who slaps more than he punches, no real threat to hurt him,yet a couple time had Kliscko hurt. Imagine what a true A.T.G would of done to him. I once thought because of there great size maybe they had a chance against greats from the past. But after watching those two"fighters" last night. It tells me how far, boxing, and particular the heavyweights have fallen.

 

Wlad has no basic boxing skills.....never had. His entire game is to control at distance and hold in close. I laughed and shook my head in disbelief in the later rounds when Wlad knew his typical game plan was not working so instead he kept rushing Fury to HOLD him! Carnera would look like a million bucks vs either of these two. Wlad holds the record for losing to the most pathetically low skilled fighters, three times by ko, in his career.