CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Joe Louis is the greatest champion of all time, and in my opinion we have yet to see a heavyweight with his talent. But I agree, at some point size is going to matter, a puncher like Louis will always have a chance of a knockout, but more times than not I think the behemots of today would jab him from the outside and use there size to outmuscle him on the inside.

 

Dubble post.

 

Yes, that was a result of styles match up, rather than their absolute size.
Lennox Lewis v Vitali Klitschko lots of punches landed. Due to styles.

Calzaghe v Hopkins was a ugly fight with few clean punches, it was dreadful, but no one thought to blame the size and weight of the boxers. It's styles.

 

Cruiserweight is already 200 pounds, at the weigh ins are early.
215 pounders compete at cruiserweight in they want.

 

Boxing125--I agree with you.

Put the heavyweight division at 175 to 220.

Above that is the super-heavyweight division.

 

Again, with bigger gloves and under modern rules. Can we at least address how bigger guys from today would fare under old school conditions?

Big guys with a lot more experience and seasoning than is possible to attain today we're knocked flat by Joe Louis. People keep saying modern big guys are now than better back then perhaps there is a minority exception but in general I don't think so. Who would say those two looked great the other night?

 

If the heavyweight division remains where it is, then I really can't see a Muhammad Ali Sized fighter ever winning the title again. Sorry but 6'3", 215 lbs just isn't going to cut it against some of these monsters regardless of how slow and unskilled some of them might be. Of course if we were talking about bums like Mike White, James Beattie or Marcellus Allen then that would be a different story. But men like Tyson Fury, Wladmimir Klitscko, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua don't fall into that category of ineptitude.

 

This would be a dream come true.

At least then we would have something resembling what once was.

 

I'd watch Holyfield-Tyson of those fights.
But there's no reason to say all heavyweight fights are sh!t now because they are big, and because Wlad was often boring and the weekend's fight was uneventful.

There's no evidence that pitting the likes of Wilder, Fury, Pulev, Joshua would result in bad fights.

 

True. Marco Huck, Steve Cunningham and Alexander Povetkin are a lot closer to what traditional heavys used to be like and we've seen them in some pretty exiting fights. The problem you have when you put a 6'7", 250 lb guy in with a 6'3", 220 lb guy is that it encourages holding, pushing, and over utilization of reach which makes for a dull affair.

 

Would you give Povetkin or Haye any chance whatsoever against Fury ?

You're not suggesting Ali couldn't win against Deontay Wilder ?

 

That's the million dollar question isn't? What about the 205lb Holyfield who fought Bowe. I seriously believe he'd have beaten both Wlad and Fury quite handily but who knows.

 

I think there are some exceptions to the rule and if you can find a fighter as fully gifted and talented as Muhammad Ali then lets match him with those guys and see what he can do... Good luck with that though....Then again Evander holyfield was probably the last true lineal champion capable of standing up to super heavy's and his record against them ( Bowe, Lewis, Valuev ) was 1-4-1.

 

As much as I love Evander, I don't think he'd beat Wladimir. Klit won't let Holy play his game and would tie him up every time he came in while constantly jabbing away at him from the outside. I'd pick Wlad by decision in that fight. He might have a better chance against Fury but let's just say it would be a tall order.

 

What do you class as a super-heavy then ?
Buster Douglas was as big as Bowe, as was Foreman, surely.
What is a super-heavy really ?