Liston vs 1974 Ali.

Wrong again. From the article I posted written a week or so after the fight....

"For the few qualified observers who had a clear view of the knockout punch, there was no doubt about its power. Immediately after it landed, Floyd Patterson, seated at ringside in the most advantageous position to see the blow, said, in answer to a direct question: "It was a perfect right hand." José Torres, the light heavyweight champion, agreed. "A very strong right hand," he said. Indeed, for all those who had a good view of the punch—and, unfortunately, there could not have been more than 1,200—there was never any doubt as to the stunning power of the blow. it was perfectly delivered against an opponent who was moving toward it, so that the effect was of a head-on collision."

 

You stated Patterson felt the bout was fixed. He did not feel that way watching from ringside the night of the fight. Once again. "Indeed for all those who had a good view of the punch and unfortunately their could not be any more than 1200 there was never any doubt as to the stunning power of the blow."

Secondly if anyone states Liston was not hit they are living in a serious dream world. Get off your ass and watch the fight.

 

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Patterson in an interview:

Lowell Cohn - “There’s been speculation that he [Liston] threw the fight. Do you think he was ashamed of that?”

Floyd Patterson - “I thought that, too. Clay was not a puncher. I know because I fought him twice. I saw Cleveland Williams hit Liston with everything, and Liston just walked through it. When Clay knocked Liston out, he threw a punch almost like a push. Then Liston rolled around on the canvas. I found it hard to believe."

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/sports/3976969-181/ali-liston-ii-cohn-calls-it?page=2

 

Ali definitely hit him with a right hand. Was it enough to drop him? Regardless he was down. HOWEVER, Liston got up and the fight actually did continue... until the ref (Jersey Joe Walcott) allowed Nat Fleischer (Ring magazine) to influence him and he stopped the fight because Liston had been down for more than 10 seconds... That was B.S. because Walcott had not reached the count of 10 (it's a 10 count, not necessarily 10 seconds). Anyway, they should have fought again just to clear things up but for the record... Ali did land a right hand and Liston went down.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cmRwxcXgeNU

 

The correct call would have been to DQ Ali for repeated refusal to follow the referee's instructions to go to a neutral corner.
Awarding that fight to Ali was a gross mistake.

 

The punch was highly questionable.
Ali can be seen mouthing to his corner "did I hit him?".
In the immediate post fight interview Ali didn't know if he had hit Liston with a right or left. He said he would have to see the tapes.

If Ali possessed a secret punch that would "knock out anybody" (as he claimed), why didn't he use it more often?
Why suffer through those 12 and 15 rounds fights?

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjZsyoWz9Q

Ali said what?

 

I don't know what you are asking.
Here is a clip of Ali not knowing which hand he used to knock Liston down.
Start at 15 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8DR0P0PV5c#t=293

 

It's clear that Ali hit Liston with a right hand and Liston went down. I'm not saying Liston was hurt, but that is what happened.

Not knowing which punch knocked an opponent down is not uncommon. The iconic photos of Ali standing over Liston, some with his left crossed over his body and some not, were taken as Ali was yelling at Liston. He was telling him to get up because people were not going to believe this shlt!

Liston could have definitely continued... and my point is that he did continue. He got up after Ali quit standing over him and running around, before Walcott reached 10.

My question is this- If he was planning on quitting, why would he get up before "the referee" reached the count of 10?