CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

I concur on the "multiple" titles portion of your complaint. But not the multiple divisions. I don't have an issue with boxing eliminating numerous sanctioning belts in ONE class, but not forcing men to fight guys who are unbearably larger than themselves.

 

This sarcasm is to make what point ?
You think all your super heavyweights have been killing your traditional heavyweights in recent years ?
I haven't seen it.

The most worrying/dangerous heavyweight fights, imo, are actually those fat 300 pounders being used as cannon fodder.

 

No it's not to protect my preference in heavyweights from giants at all. In fact I have said if they had their own school of talent to develop within instead of being lost in limbo within an open category the real heavyweights would be better equipped to challenge a super heavyweight champion if so desired. It would be for the public to decide if "heavyweight" was the true descendant of the historical heavyweight lineage or if Superheavyweight was the evolved result of modern training and rule changes.

 

No one is forcing anyone.
If you're so concerned about mismatches, you'd be better off eliminating horrible mismatches between talented fighters and very limited fighters, not worrying about a talented 218 pounder fighting his way up the ranks to challenge a talented 250 pound champion.

Boxing is not likely to eliminate the numerous belts, but will add another 4 recognized world titles.

What was your view on men like Haye, Chagaev, Ruiz and Holyfield facing the massive Valuev ?

 

It was to be funny. I'll avoid applying my humor in your presence in the future.

No.. I just don't see any of them having a fair shot at earning the kind of lucrative living that a 6'7", 250 lb lug who leans all over his opponents is getting, but never mind equality.. Even Max Kellerman and Jim Lampley have classified Klitschko as being in a different weight class than most of his foes...

Well if viewership is something you're having difficulty with, there are plenty of affordable cable packages on the market these days and much of it can be seen on the internet as well ( which obviously you have access to. ) I currently get mine through comcast. I can send you a link if you'd like to price out a cable package.

Which of those do you see frequenting any top 10 or fighting for any titles, aide from Valuev who was also 7'0" tall and hardly fat?

 

You've lost me again. I'm trying to understand it but it has escaped me again.

Do you mean that new champions would have to be decided again as the result of a name change?

I should have explained, what I meant was the cruiserweight champion would inherit a new name and his belt would open to challengers weighing over 200. Say, somewhere under 230 or so.

Tyson Fury and Wilder simply become Super heavyweight champions. Maybe they could ask to get the wording changed on the belt.?

 

choklab and magoo,
Another thing you need to consider is that wherever you put your boundary for "super heavyweight", you're just going to get huge guys cutting weight to compete in your "traditional heavyweight".
A man of Wladimir's size can probably weigh in at under 230 and come to the fight close to 250.
In modern boxing, wherever you put a division, you just get loads of ripped and dehydrated fighters squeezing themselves down to weigh in.

 

Something to consider is that the cruiserweight limit was already raised to 200 pounds. With weigh in rules, that means that most 220 and lighter heavyweights can make 200 either by cutting actual weight or just dropping water and rehydrating to 220. So another division isn't needed. Lots of heavyweights could make 200 today but they decline due to $

 

Klitschko hasn't weighed under 230 since 1998 and most of what he's gained since then is muscle. How many heavy's do you see dropping weight now? And for some guys its just not doable. For others, it might be a good thing.

 

Maybe they should just call cruiser heavyweight then? Keep the limit the same. Like you say if 220 guys can cheat the scales so be it. By why should they? Why can't their be honesty and somewhere for a 220 world class fighter to officially call home?

After all this is the size that historically produced Ali!

It would sound better since cruiserweight name has never really excited the public enough.

Superheavyweight would be what is heavyweight now, since it is anyway.

What's wrong with that?

 

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I think they should have a :

Light heavyweight division
sub heavyweight division
kind of heavyweight division
Okay last stop before heavyweight division
heavyweight division
Super heavyweight division
Super Duper heavyweight division
Animal division ( literally meant for elephants, hippos, rhinos, etc.. )

 

I think fans and the public can differentiate between what a heavyweight is and what a superheavyweight is. It works in amateur boxing. If four guys can get introduced as heavyweight champion of the world and another two guys (wilder and Fury) get introduced as the superheavyweight champion of the world what's wrong with that? Especially if the cruiserweight name becomes extinct.