Fury vs HW ATGs

Too big for the first 5, simply a different weight class IMO, 70lbs weight advantage is ridiculous.

If we're talking a focused fury...

Ali would be too quick and no way fury stops him, wide decision for Ali. Frazier would win a decision on work rate, not sure he'd actually reach Furys head with a hook. Foreman too durable and hits too hard, stops fury. Holmes out jabs him to a decision. Tyson would obliterate Furys body and stop him.

Then again who knows as there is such a huge size advantage over all of them.

 

We'll have to wait to see how he does longer term to be more definitive. But chances are he's too big (ie., too much skill proportionate to his size) for all of them pre Tyson. Tyson would have a chance because of raw power and speed, but I'm not confident he could get through to Fury enough. The Fury who controlled distance and used movement so well against Wlad probably picks him apart from long range and hugs him to UD win or late stoppage. Lewis would be a great fight, until or unless Fury proves more, I'd definitely go with Lewis. Vitali would be the fight I would most want to see. Vitali never fought a quality opponent taller than him, and his style ensures that he would get hit against such an opponent. So I think it would be a brutal, action heavy match. Fury might land more, but I'd take Vitali's power and chin over any advantage Fury would get in raw number landed. Probably mid round stoppage.

 

Yep, beats the first five. Simply too big and skilled, Louis might have a chance but I think Fury's movement and height would nullify the relatively flat-footed Louis.

Ali beats him. Too fast, too accurate and throws too much. Fury is too tall to beat Frazier. Can't really keep a small, elusive target at your prefered distance when you're so long, and inside Fraziers body punching would do wonders.

Foreman too durable and heavy hitting.

Holmes, same as Ali.

Tyson, same as Frazier.

Lewis "Grants™" him.

 

Actually Tyson Fury is the most talented Hw of all time. Tyson is like a 6'9 260 lbs version of Larry Holmes, incredible jab and defense. Fury is a 6'9 giant Superheavyweight with better boxing skills than Wlad Klitschko matched with the speed and endurance of a supermiddleweight.

 

Tyson has no chance against Fury, especially as we know in hindsight he is a bully at heart who is mentally weak. Fury would psych him out and batter him.

I agree that Ali, Foreman, Holmes and Lewis are the stiffest challenges and the rest are giving up way too much size against Fury.

 

I think he loses to all of them, most by ko.

 

I don't get why people routinely assume Louis would lose to a modern SHW but that Ali and especially Frazier would not. In this case especially. I think its extremely unlikely, based on reasons I've mentioned in a ton of other threads, that a high quality modern SHW would lose to someone from more than 35 years ago.

But, in the unlikely event that happened, I'd see Joe Louis beating Fury much more so than Ali or Frazier. As someone noted, Chisora has Fraziers style, except he's much bigger. Fury completely shut him down, and its unlikely that chinny Frazier would last more than 5 or 6 rounds against Fury, who he'd be giving up around 9 inches and 50 pounds.

Ali's style, at least, the earlier reign Ali, is remarkably similar to Fury. It relies on speed, reflexes, volume, jab, movement, height and reach. Somewhat unimpressive in power. That main difference is that Fury is 5 or 6 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier. I don't see anything Ali could do to Fury.

Louis, however, is considerably taller than Frazier, only an inch shorter than Ali, about 10 pounds lighter than either one. So he'd "only" be giving up 6 or 7 inches to Fury and 60 pounds. Meanwhile, his style is more diverse than Frazier, he wouldn't just swarm. And above all, he's got much better power than either of them. There are still some questions about Furys chin. Its not inconceivable that Louis gets close enough to put Fury down for the count.

 

Fury's weight advantage would be borderline useless against Ali. Fury is not really a puncher and since a young Ali rarely tried to clinch and always prefered fighting at distance, Fury's strength inside wouldn't really matter.

What we're left with here is two guys utilizing the same style, except Ali is better in every way. I don't want to exaggerate here, but it is how it is. Fury may look quick and elusive against a 6'6'' Wlad, but you're ignoring that both are giants fighting at a giants pace. This is often not considered when it comes to discussing cross-era match-ups. Ali's footwork and reflexes are worlds apart really, and he throws A LOT. Fury would simply be outpunched and outpointed.

Now Frazier is more difficult to discuss here, but him being smaller than Chisora would really help. He'd duck under a lot of shots and on the inside he throws so much more and keeps coming on relentlessly. Same case with Ali. I can see Fury winning here, but Frazier is not Chisora. Otherwise we might as well say Louis easily knocks out Wlad since he knocked out Carnera.

 

TBF Giants always appear slower because each stride/punch is covering a longer distance. Fury has a massive size advantage, which means Ali would have to move and punch at the same time, but also countering Fury's movement which is a tall order.

Ali has never fought somebody with a combination of Fury's size and co'ordination, (in fairness the only people that have, have already lost to Fury).

Fury has some huge physical advantages, size, power, strength etc, Ali's speed advantage will be lessened by Fury's Size as will his stamina because smaller guys always have to cover a greater distance against bigger guys.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. Ali wouldn't initiate clinches, but Fury would whenever Ali tried to get inside. Which he'd have to do, because Fury would totally own him on the outside. Too much height and reach advantage. How does Ali land on Fury? Fury flicks the jab out and completely keeps Ali at bay. Ali never faced an athletic, true SHW, no one over 6'4 who actually could move well. Ali is only "better" at the things Fury does that any smaller man would be better at, and that's not enough to compensate for Fury's advantages. Fury has more power and vastly more size.

 

"Take all the glamour and glitz away from these people and they're all just bare bums in the shower"

Such class

 

Yep, and especially on the stamina front when you consider that Fury WILL be leaning on Ali. That's going to take it out of Ali, eventually he will tire from that, from all the pitty patty punches Fury lands, until in the late rounds, he's ripe for the picking for a ko.

 

Let's not get ahead of ourselves...