R. Bowe beats would beat any superheavyweight

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  1. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    One thing about Bowe and Newman's disgraceful avoiding of Lewis so they could pimp HBO for easy (or perceived to be easy) fights is that I actually feel Bowe had a good chance at beating that version of Lewis (provided Bowe shows up in top shape). I think that Steward did a great job with Lewis and helping him polish his skills, particularly with his balance and how open he left himself. The McCall loss wasn't just some fluke punch, it was McCall taking advantage of Lewis's technical flaws. Manny was telling McCall to look for that opening. I can see Bowe beating that version of Lewis, but not the Lewis who smoothed out his technique, who winged less right hands, had better balance and overall ring generalship.

    I tend to favor Bowe over the Klitschkos, although they are dangerous. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to them as his defense was leaky. He actually had a better defense on the inside than the outside. That can spell doom against Wladimir, but Bowe was no light puncher either, and I think he'll get that right hand in against Wlad, particularly the overhand right against the slightly taller Wlad. The difference in chin and how they react when they are hit is why I would lean towards Bowe over Wlad.
     
  2. AnthonyJ74

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    Samuel Peters is 6'0 1/2", so he isn't particularly tall for a heavyweight. He is big and strong, but not a tall heavyweight. Corrie Sanders was a big, powerful guy, but he sure didn't look it: he had the body of a middle-aged man couch potato.
     
  3. AnthonyJ74

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    Bowe's wins against Herbie Hide, Larry Donald, and Buster Mathis Jr. are underrated, in my opinion. Granted, those guys were not elite-level heavyweights, but they were good, solid fighters, and were at least as good or better than the guys most other heavyweights at the time were facing. Bowe put together a good little run of wins after he lost his title to Holyfield. Throw Gonzalez in the mix as well; he was a big, strong, 'up-and-coming' fighter at the time, and Bowe annihilated him. The main points is that Rid**** Bowe did a lot more than 'just beat Holyfield' two times.
     
  4. jarama

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    Gonzales was still fighting like an amauter and looked it in other matches, he held his chin high and thought he could bully everyone with his size, Bit like Bowe did to the smaller guys.

    Bowe knew that Lewis had already smashed him to bits, and could do it again, you can see the fear in him and he is being bold for the cameras.

    Bowe wanted no part of Lewis and proved it by avoiding him.

    Bowe had no heart and was hammered by Golota in both fights where Lewis demolished him.

    Aprt from Holyfield Bowe does not have anyone on his record.

    I am not a Bowe hater I quite like him in interviews and feel a little sorry for him that he had so much and now has less money than me.

    But no way does he beat Lewis and he knew that too.
     
  5. DarthYoda

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    Demolishing Gonzalez proves hes the best ever just likeAJ demolishing Whyte will prove hes the best today.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed with everything you say. Except I still think holmes is underrated.

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  7. N_ N___

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    He's 6'2 on boxrec. And Bowe also was fat.
     
  8. aj415

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    Bowe liked to mix it up too much and would sacrifice his natural boxing advantages just to do so, and for this reason he would not be victorious versus every superheavyweight
     
  9. ticar

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    that's the way you beat superheavyweights, lewis beat vitali cause he was a better fighter, more willing to mix it up ...

    how to beat a huge heavyweight? watch how bowe demolished gonzales, great example for studying
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    The 25 year old undefeated version of Bowe who was fit, hungry and still had Eddie Futch in his corner would be a formidable opponent for most people. I can see him beating pre-Steward renditions of Wlad and Lewis while giving Vitali a great fight. Maybe even getting lucky and forcing a stoppage over him. I can also see him doing a lot better against Golata, especially if Andrew fights clean and doesn't hit below the belt. I can't see him being a definite given over all the top super heavys however.. Sharper and more polished versions of Wlad and Lewis most likely beat him and more often than not I'd favor Vitali over him as well. If a 1991-1992 version of Bowe were placed in 2015, I'd pick him to beat Fury, Wilder, Povetkin and the current 39 year old Wlad.. Unfortunately his dominant steak wouldn't likely last longer than perhaps a year or two UNLESS he could stay motivated and keep the same people in his corner... But that's too big of an "IF" to really count on....Overall he was a solid super heavyweight who probably rates top 25 all time.
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    Congrats. Thats the most pathetic thing anybody has ever posted on here.:barf
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    You simply don't know chit about the sport Klan Man.

    Bowe put a clinic on Coetzer. When head shots weren't working , he did what all greats do and adjusted his tactics by going to the body.

    Foreman had to do the exact same.

    You will not count more than two accidental low blows in that fight.

    Hate is hate. But false hate is something a lot worse.
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    Bowe would dispatch of Wlad easily and would put an unmerciful beat down on Vitali.

    When you stand straight up like he did , with no defensive movement and hands down low , you are in for a leathering against Bowe.
    Say what you want about Golota against a faded Bowe , but he had supreme defensive upper body movement and sharp counter punching skills in that fight.
    Vitali was a stiff 1-2 hitter who got torn to shreds by the worst Lewis that ever entered the ring. Bowe at his best was a far better boxer than that Lewis.
     
  14. Thread Stealer

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    For real, Bowe lacking heart in the ring? Now he was a lazy guy outside the ring, and the whole Lewis avoidance was disgraceful, but once inside the ropes it was a different story. The only time you could question his heart in the ring was the first Golota fight when he complained to the ref after the 6th round about the low blows, which sounded like he was asking the ref to DQ Golota. Golota was using Bowe's groin as a punching bag.

    Bowe showed his fighting heart in the Holyfield fights, particularly the rubber match, and surely no one would question his guts in the Golota rematch. My god he took a horrendous beating. I remember having this sick feeling while watching it that Bowe would die in the ring. And it wasn't one of those Hector Camacho-esque "I refuse to quit because I have too much pride to get knocked out" type things where his main priority was lasting the distance. He was actually throwing big shots and trying to win the fight, even landing some big right hands in the 8th and 9th round.
     
  15. Thread Stealer

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    Holyfield wasn't that far ahead technically than Bowe. It's a size/style paradox, but the smaller Holyfield was better with the fundamental aspects when it came to fighting at longer range. Notably with defense, with Holyfield being fairly effective at rolling with punches, and Bowe just ate too many at long range. But Holyfield still had trouble with Bowe's height and reach, which is why he was most effective when he was at mid range. It was a tall order for Evander, using his footwork and sometimes bouncing on his toes, to get past his jab to get closer, but not too close where it became an inside fight. Holyfield had successes in the 2nd fight where he outhustled Bowe up close and stole a couple of rounds (I think the 10th and 11th, I may be off by a round or two), but certainly got the worst of it in the other two fights and paid a brutal price.

    Bowe had the edge technically when it came to fighting at a closer distance. Bowe had so many of the subtleties on in-fighting down, such as knowing the little slight movements to get the correct angles for both offense and defense. Bowe was a better defensive fighter at close range than at long range, where his defense was leaky, to put it simply. Futch did a brilliant job teaching Bowe how to fight on the inside.