CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

Well all know what you wanted to imply though mate.

I don't shout from the rooftops every time I call an upset tbh, they are never appreciated at the time of the upset anyways. I said on this thread I wanted Fury to do it, I didn't expect him to be the quicker man nor to have that stamina though.

You have held this opinion about weight for a long time now. You think SHW wouldn't survive in the 50's because the deck was stacked against them.

Your one track mind reminds me of Mag and his hatred for Duran.

 

I was hoping Fury would win but expected Wlad to.

 

Wlad said: "I could not reach him"

What kind of argument is that?

I do not want know what happened to better jabbers like Liston or Lewis with much harder Jab than Fury
and also 84inch Reach. Fury has 85inch.

 

Yes he does! I shook his hand and it was Like shaking hands with a bunch if bananas! :good

 

All I have implied is that I think the time has come for the 238 pounders fight only among themselves. Cruiserweight deserves to be a mainstream division. Give Heavyweight name back to heavyweight sized boxers.

 

I am a bit surprised many don't get why Wlad lost. As a Wlad fan, I think I know why. It's a combination of issues.

1 ) He's near 40 years old. The speed and stamina appeared to be diminished. How did Louis look vs Marciano? How did Holmes look vs Tyson?

2 ) He became complacent. Wlad has not lost a decision in 20 years ) Amateur and pro ), and was on an 11 year run as champion. It is possible Wlad underestimated Fury a bit.

3 ) Wlad always was cautious with rangy out fighters who could punch ( Haye ) or guys who could counter ( Ibragimov ). Fury has a very long reach and moved around a lot. Klitschko was too cautious and lacked his form and speed, which in the past were almost never counted. Fury did not counter him much, and I do not understand why Wlad would not throw more jabs, which would have set up the rest of his offense. Fury did enough to stay active, and really is just an average boxer. Wlad inexplicably withdrew from the fight!

4 ) Wlad either did not trust or did not received the best conference and advice from his corner. I think its a bit of both.

Conclusion: If Wlad still has fire left, he can make adjustments, throw many more punches, and knock Fury out even if he's just 75% of what he was a year ago.

 

So what if he is nearly 40 years old - in the HW division nowdays that should be an advantage with his experience. Louis hadnt been champion for 4 years and could only throw with one hand and Holmes had about 4 weeks of training after being retired for 18 months.

Wlad was an active champion, no rust or lay-offs, and nobody predicted a win on account of Wlad's age before the fight. Its easy to grasp for an excuse now. I hope Wlad does change his tactics in the re-match so we get a more exciting fight.

 

For those who dont live in the UK here is Deontay's Wilder take on it all last night on radio

http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusi...-tyson-fury-im-coming-your-belts-151203176475

 

If they rematch I'll have a good bet the result is the same but more emphatic,possibly a stoppage win for Fury. I thought Wlad looked average against Jennings and for me he has always been a bit overated.

 

Probably true. For Wlad to win a rematch he'll have to use tenacity, show real grit and take chances. He was never very good at that even in his prime and had everything going his way.. He's already discovered that his traditional plan of holding and pot shot hitting doesn't work.. Now place him in a situation where he has the psychological component of knowing he's already been beaten by said opponent and his chances of doing these things are further diminished. If they fight a second time, it'll most likely be in London before a very loud and hostile crowd in support of Fury and after Wlad has past his 40th birthday. The odds are against him and on so many levels...

 

They will rematch. This tells me Wlad is embarrassed and the motivation is back.

Wlad is already a betting favorite. This time, he'll knock Fury out.

 

It's not out of the question.. But he's going to have to do something different this time and part of that will involve taking chances and overcoming adversity - Two things that he hasn't done in a very long time and perhaps only a couple times in his entire career at that...

 

As long as Fury prepares as seriously for the rematch as he did for this fight he should win, more easily, probably by late stoppage.
Fury, well-prepared as defending champion, a young fighter 27 years old and constantly improving, can be expected to be significantly better in the rematch.
Wlad will probably be better as well, but not enough to off-set Fury's advantages.
I rate Wlad highly enough to not write him off completely though, he's a great fighter in my opinion.