Why is Tyson so overrated H2H?

Well to the extent some think he's the best H2h fighter ever, I'd agree with that. That said he's likely in the mix between him and about 4-5 other guys and honestly I don't know how you can say for certainty who the best is between Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Liston, Lewis, Holmes and perhaps Wlad.

Odds would probably favor Ali but that's about the best anyone can do, would be to put odds on various fighters.

But the actually outcome in say a round robin tournament is anyone's guess.

 

Agreed, and that's what's always bothered me about some of these Tyson discussions. It seems as though him losing to Douglas has completely "erased" everything he achieved prior to that point in the eyes of some.. In 1988 he was haled as the baddest man on the planet and a strong candidate for being possibly the greatest heavyweight ever.. He was largely appraised for his one sided wins over Berbick, Thomas, Spinks and Holmes ( though Larry was well past it. ) All of a sudden he drops one loss, and goes from being one of the greatest heavys of all time to being a guy that some obscure nobody from any era could have potentially beaten.. The lack of balance on some of these issues is astonishing at best and ludicrous at worst.

 

The argument he could beat Liston is based on excellent two handed power and terrific hand speed. Tyson went into the middle rounds quite a few times and still won .You just repeat clichés that have no basis in truth.

 

Another agenda for you.....hell no Mike Tyson wasn't overrated H2H.

 

:deal (and superb head movement to get inside on Liston)

 

How didn't he react well?

 

Head to head, styles make fights, and Liston showed twice what he could do to a shorter opponent with blinding hand speed using the peek-a-boo style.

What wasn't all that common was Sonny blasting out guys in a single round. Being heavier and more punch resistant than Patterson, Mike would hang around for a few rounds, but it was movers like Whitehurst, Joiner, Leotis and Machen who gave him the most headaches.

Patterson's best display of lateral movement through an extended match was probably Chuvalo. Could Tyson do that with Liston? Because that's about the only thing Mike might have to offer which Sonny may not be prepared for.

 

I thought you didn't do excuses? Liston was 24 when he lost to Marshall. He got taken the distance by Marshall in their third fight too. Williams could beat a shot 38 year old Liston. Marshall wouldn't beat the 24 year old Tyson.

 

But so were his opponents. Tyson's style was taxing. Before his prison stint Tyson went 6-1 when going 10 rounds or more. That's basically what someone with brains would refer to as "domination".

Now p i s s off, mmm kay! :thumbsup

 

I don't have to tell you that Tyson was typically 30lbs heavier than Patterson , had a far better chin and superior power plus Floyd was psyched out by the public's pressure on him when he faced Sonny. I'm not saying Tyson beats Sonny ,I'm picking apart the OP's assumptions.

 

Yeah, he sure weakened against Ruddock.atsch