Why is Tyson so overrated H2H?

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  1. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HW was boxing most valued division in the late 80's?
     
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  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    No. I was speaking more broadly over boxing's history. I think the welterweight-middleweight titles may have had more prestige. Generally the Heavyweight Champion to fans and casual obsrvers has a higher profile.
     
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  3. Boxing2016

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    I,m scared of such comparisons.
     
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  4. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "He made him laugh". That's simultaneously the best and worst excuse I've ever heard for a defeat! :lol:
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    "His sole loss prior to his fight with Clay was to a journeyman opponent named Marty Marshall in 1954, when Marshall managed to break Liston's jaw with a right hand while Liston was laughing at him."

    Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=z...t handwhile Listonwas laughing at ...&f=false

    Why would they lie? Everybody hated Liston at the time.
     
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  6. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    In some ways it makes sense. It seems like they may have been good friends and that laughing would not have been out of the question. They fought 3 times, the 3rd time they had to be warned twice to actually fight.

    How much of Liston's record is padded with these friendlies?
     
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  7. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What was Liston's best win ? The glass-chinned joke Patterson who had a skinny middleweight body-structure.
    Liston was feared because he hadn't at least 210 pounds muscular skilled champion quality opponents. Easy to beat weak unathletic men.
     
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  8. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who wasn't beatable ? This doesn't mean Tyson is overrated.
    But nobody can say an example when the Rooney version Tyson lost.
    Steward version Lummox and wk lost for example considering so many
    boxing fans praise Steward like a god.Rooney never was a good trainer
    but he has a perfect record with a young heavyweight champion at least.Obviously Tyson can't be overrated when he was great without
    a good trainer.
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    How about the 211 pounds Nino Valdes? Or maybe the 229 pounds Cleveland Williams?
     
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