Povetkin's camp has already said he is not fighting till summer, he could have negotiated in the fall and forced this fight as well instead of fighting Wach. Yet people still think this January fight has something to do with avoiding Povetkin.
What has Povetkin done to make you think he can actually beat taller fighters with actual skill and power? I think he might have a shot at beating Wilder, simply because I'm not sold on Wilder's chin. But he already looked like a clown trying to get inside on Wlad, how is ghe going to do it against an even taller and faster Fury? Povetkin is a great phone booth fighter against guys his height and size. Or heavy bags with eye***** like Wach. But there is not a single fighter on his resume like Wilder or Fury.
Re Wilder: Povetkin's resume is a lot better than Deontay's. I don't think it is even remotely controversial. Re Fury: Povetkin has a very offensive mindset and he will not have the same built-in mental issues Wlad had. Arguably he also has a better handspeed than Wlad at this stage. I agree that Fury will be a difficult problem to solve, even for him, but he has the best chance from the entire divison to solve it.
What has Wilder done to make you think he can beat fighters with solid skills, solid chin, good power and countless world-level experiences?
So? Joe Frazier's resume was a lot better than George Foreman's too, and look how that turned out. I never said Wilder's resume was better, I said Povetkin hasn't beaten anyone like Wilder with that combination of height, reach, and power. He hasn't beaten anyone like Fury either. Povetkin has to prove he can beat a giant with some skills. Wach was nothing but a stationary punching bag who moved like he was 80. Wilder and Joshua have the best chance to dethrone Fury. Not Povetkin.
I've never said Wilder was a lock to beat Povetkin. No question he is an upgrade over anyone Wilder has fought, although I do think some of Wilder's opponents are underrated. I just have to take issue with people who say he has no chance. Bottom line, Povetkin hasn't fought anyone like Wilder. Wilder in turn hasn't fought anyone like Povetkin either, although I think Stiverne was closer to Povetkin than anyone on Povetkin's resume is to Wilder.
I'm sorry but you yourself started the whole discussion by raising Povetkin's resume: "What has Povetkin done to make you think he can actually beat taller fighters with actual skill and power?" This was your first question. Now, when it comes to previous accomplishments, there cannot be any doubt that Povetkin proved himself way more than Wilder did. Wilder has shown far less to make me beleive that he can handle a splendid dinamic boxer like Povetkin. He appeared vulnerable against far less skilled fighters too.
I think Povetkin has beaten good fighters, just not anyone who had Wilder's physical attributes and strengths. If that clears it up. He hasn't beaten anyone like Fury either. Saying Povetkin hasn't beaten anyone like these guys does not mean he hasn't beaten good fighters.
I mostly agree, except for the Stiverne part. But Povetkin is the one who's proved more so far, that goes without saying. I wish Helenius had taken the offer for Sasha's stay busy fight instead of Wach so we'd have a better answer how he'd do against a big powerful guy.
I agree, but (as you yourself wrote in response to another comment), this equally applies to Wilder concerning Povetkin. I think you have to consider the lessons he learned from his fight with Wlad (who, by all means has at least the same attributes like Wilder).
--Knocked out in the amatuers by a LHW --Put down by morbidly obese Dustin Nichols --Put down by career loser Harold Scoiners --Built much of he career by beating sad corpses like Harrison and Lyakovich --Brought in personal friend Malik Scott to take an obvious dive --Did not fight the real champ for his "title" but a Don King manufactured Buffet champion --Could not defeat Stivern as convincingly as Demetrice King --Could not even knock Stivern down like Rossy --Some of the most shameful opponents for his "title defenses" that the world has ever seen, showing his low self esteem --Rocked by Molina --He did not perform as well agasint Molina as Arreola OR ASHANTI JORDAN, both of whom knocked him out in 1 --Eye busted up by Duhaupas, a French pastsry chef --Sold as a nice guy, but actually spends his time beating up hookers and Charlie Zelenoff, who are ironically his best opponents --Dispresects great fighters like Tyson and Klitscko --Now trying to claim that Fury's courageous win somehow makes him champion. --Avoiding Povetkin like the plague --Seems to be using a new tactic,probably to mask steroid use, of not allowing his pathetic opponents a full camp --Now considering Wawryck, knocked out in 3 by his mandatory, as an opponent --Offered a shot to Adamek, a shot to pieces 39 year old former LHW who is 1-2 in his last three, but only allowed him a 6 week camp. --Will now apparently fight Szpilka, giving the man only a five week camp
With a 72% KO ratio. Brilliant. Fury has similar power to a guy like Holmes- he can punch when he has to.
