The term super heavyweight with skills has no official guideline. Here's mine

Bob Foster could have been 175 lb Super Heavyweight!

 

I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis fought.

Oscar Rivas weighed 235 lbs in his second fight against Tessier.

Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs in his fight against Cornish.

Joseph Parker weighed 237.6 lbs in his fight against Martz today.

 

I still think next great hw will be around 220. I think Holmes Ali or Tyson would still beat klitschko. Lewis. I think a good skilled in shape hw could out work a shw. Use their size against them.

 

What is the definition for "the term a super heavyweight without skills"?

 

Yup. :good

 

I agree. Awesome talent but his chin determined his style. He had to fight within himself to win, because of his lightweight beard.
With his brother's chin he would have been top 3 all-time, imo.

 

:good

I understand that booze and women played a part in his downfall. He impressed me against Holmes, I have to say.
He had his limitations of course, but he had a lot of good points too.

 

Bigger version? Tyson of the late 80's would crush the current crop of heavies.

 

Once criticism that is often made of Wlad is the quality of his opposition, but it is an unwritten law that if you dominate your opposition, you effectively devalue it.

Joe Louis is a case in point.

To really understand a fighter's historical impact, you have to remove them from the timeline, and see how much the timeline changes.

My guess is that if Wlad had never been born, the division would have been a shambles for a few years after Vitally Klitschko relinquished the Ring Belt.

The heavyweight division would have become a bit of an embarrassment, with multiple belt holders, none of who looked particularly credible as the best heavyweight in the world.

Eventually two of the belt holders would have faced off to create some sort of Ring Champion, and they would have either devalued the title by facing horrendous opposition, or lost it fairly quickly.

We would have either had a situation like the 30s, where the title changed hands every year, or a situation like the 90s where the champion was not taken seriously.

That is Wlad’s legacy put into perspective.

 

Interesting. Didn't know that.
Love the description of Peter, btw.

 

His favour being height and reach mostly. Nothing particularly genius there.
What Wlad had was a cast-iron discipline to stick to what he was good at; he never ever wavered from his strengths. It could though be argued that he was not pushed hard enough to deviate from them.

Ali could shuffle & jive though; he could moonshine and occasionally surprise the audience with a sharp left hook or uppercut. He had the ability to overcome when purely being physically superior wasn't enough; Wlad...not at all, at least so far.

 

I think you are forgetting Vitali in the equation. Louis' rule was unquestioned. Without Wlad around , how dominant would Vitali have been?

 

I can't totally Comment on fury klitschko. I haven't made it through the whole fight yet