Sonny Liston vs Lennox Lewis

Incorrect. I never compare to JUST size, it's a factor of size, combined with skills, be it punching power, ability to control range, ability to fight inside, ability to set up power punches, ability to avoid getting hit, all those facts count when you're comparing Lewis to Wepner.

As for the second part of your comment, I don't know where you're going with that. Nobodies is saying those guys aren't skilled, but I wouldn't pick any of them to beat Lewis . Louis and a prime Holyfield would probably have the best chance though.

Basically it's much like the Toney - Duran thread. Most people admit Duran is the more skilled fighter of the two, but most, if not all, picked Toney to win a fight between them, because Duran's skills would be unlikely to outweight Toney's size advantage. In the same vein, Lewis wins many of his fights against past greats largely on the same basis. But unlike Toney who likes to infight, Lewis would be controlling range more.

 

OMG, not this again.

Good ****ing grief, just look at their faces ffs and it's obviously to everyone but a nuthugging Klitschko fan who won. Klitschko would most likely have been blinded by the 8th never mind winning the fight. All Lewis had to do was circle to klitshcko left and throw punches and Vitali wouldn't even see them coming. That is precisely why the doctor stopped the fight. To preserve Klitschko's health.

 

First of all we know the first fight scoring was a fiasco so give this line of thinking up. The proper score on the first fight should have 9-3 for Lewis, that's why the outrage. The second fight, I've scored it round by round with people like you for years, and the very best score I could give Holyfield in the second fight is 7-5 Lewis. It's either that, or 8-4 Lewis. So of the two fights the proper score should have been 16-8 Lewis, which is not all that particularly close. Nice try though.

I did say, a prime Holyfield and Louis could give Lewis challenges but styles make fights and I don't think Holyfield has the style to beat Lewis.

 

Would've could've, might've, but never. It means squat.

 

this is true, people don't seem to see or accept it, but liston was a freak of nature.

84 inch reach and 215 lbs like you said, without touching weights.

with weight training and roids, he would have been absolutely huge, let me dare say a superheavyweight...he could have easily carried in shape 230 - 240 lbs.

 

on a 6'1 body, I'm not too sure about that. I've lifted weights for years and years, and when I was in college I would weight lift 3-4 times a week at 2-3 hrs at a time, and never gained a pound. Got much much stronger though, and lost some fat, but never gained any weight, which as a wrestler is actually a good thing anyway. but the point is you don't always gain weight, just because you weight lift and I don't know if being 6'1 240 would be good thing or not. Sort of like Sam Peter's I'm thinking.

 

Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand...

Just like that twisting river running through a dusty land....

 

sonny liston had huge frame. very broad shoulders and back, huge wrists and hands...and of course, very long arms and legs.

if holyfield, who was a natural 185 lbs fighter, could bulk his way to 215 - 220 lbs, i have no doubt in my mind that a physical specimen like liston could have been 230 - 240 lbs with the same regime.

 

Liston was 40 years old when he died.

I don't see a clear case for Liston having a better chin or more power. Williams was the best puncher Liston faced, Lewis beat plenty of guys who punched that hard.

Liston stopped Patterson x2, Folley, and Williams. None of those guys were very durable. Lewis stopped Ruddock, Bruno, Morrison, Briggs, Grant, Golota, Rahman, Tyson, and others. Some durable, some not so durable.

 

Even if you're correct l don't think that would necessarily make him a better fighter anymore that would Lewis fighting a 265 make him a better fighter.

 

it would make him a better fighter cause he would have more power in his punches, more strength in clinches, better chin - stronger neck etc.

 

Even at 215 lbs, Liston's feet were still stuck in the mud.. Beef him up to 230 and he'd be as slow as Valuev.