Greatest HW accomplishment in history

andrewa1,

There's no need to have been surprised.

I always try and be objective.

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Again, if any of your scenarios played out, they would be great. And although I don't agree with your opinions, I do respect them.

Having different opinions is what makes the forum great.

In my opinion, if Tyson had beaten Wlad badly and disrespected him and his family, I honestly believe that Vitali would make a comeback. But I don't think he will, because Tyson has shown a lot of respect after the fight, admitting that his pre fight antics were just to promote the fight. So I think Vitali will let it lie. But if Haye had've beaten Wlad back in 2011, I definitely think he'd have tried to avenged the loss.

If Vitali fought Tyson now, I really don't know what would happen. But I'd have put money on Vitali beating him back when he was still active. He was much more formidable than Wlad.

I respect your opinion, but I think it would make Wlad and the HW division look like a laughing stock.

Fury beats a guy who's had 11 years of dominance, and then his inactive 45 year old brother comes back and beats him to avenge the loss?

What would that say about Wlad and Fury?

They'd both be ridiculed.

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Ha!

I respect that other sports and athletes have evolved over time. But again, boxing isn't like any other sport. Boxing doesn't progress every decade like other athletic sports do.

Advancements in sports science, nutrition, equipment and facilities etc, have helped many athletes throughout the world. But whereas the surface of a running track and their cushioned shoes have had a great impact in sprinting, in boxing, a left hook is still a left hook. It's not a race against the clock, it's an art. It's not solely about power and becoming faster. It's about perfecting balance, timing and hooks etc.

Swimming records are broken less than every decade. A Sprinter from 50 years ago could never beat Usain Bolt in a race today. Yet some fighters today are clearly not superior to fighters from the past. You can see that for yourself. If boxing evolved in the same way and the fighters became better and better, then today's best fighters would all be considered the greatest fighters of all time. Yet they clearly aren't. It would be laughable to suggest that today's HW's are the best of all time, in the same way that today's sprinters are the fastest of all time.


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Sooo. Someone wanted to express himself and created a ridiculously general topic and kept it alive with several alt accounts.

This board has gained a status of a therapy session for internet geek losers to try and build their non-existing self-esteem.

 

Who are the alts?

 

A 32 Year old ageing Ali also.!!!!!

 

if a 42 year old can beat furry, it only underlines how poor fury is in the first place.

only on planet K does that meaning get reverse into greatest win ever, good lord.

 

Vitali's 44, but I'm in agreement with you. A win for Vitali at this stage would destroy the reputations of Wlad and Fury.

 

I really enjoyed reading that, although I do disagree in regards to the Fury comment. I truly believe it is one of the greatest wins, obviously not in the echelon of a Zaire fight but still.

 

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Thought Holyfield was the only man to capture it 4 times ?

 

After Vitali wins that fight, Lewis comes out of retirement and beats Vitali. Foreman has a shot at Lewis but comes up short.

 

Actually, Ali did 3 times (Liston, Foreman, Spinks), but for some reason I was thinking he might have won it again in either the Frazier or Norton rematches. But you are right. Holyfield won it four times, though not the whole thing. I also think Ray Robinson might have won the middleweight title five times; so I'm either confused by history or numbers.

 

Less mobile, more reliant on the "lean back" defence, arm puncher, less tall opponents defeated, never faced anyone as tall or taller than him.

 

Are modern fighters really better than past ones?