Kirk Johnson: an underrated HW that should've won a belt

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Recently there were rumors that Kirk Johnson makes his comeback. Thankfully it's off. But I recently watched some of his fights, and what can I say - he was really underrated HW and should've won the WBA belt in 2002, if there weren't Ruiz and Cortez team.

    His 1st fight I've watched was Mike Dixon fight. Johnson looked wery impressive in stopping Dixon in 1 round (a guy who went rounds against Lewis, Mercer, Hide).

    Then were the wins over 24-2 Danell Nicholson, 30-3-1 former cruiser champ Alfred Cole, and destruction of 20-2 Oleg Maskaev, who was fresh off KO'ing Rahman anfd Jefferson. Scary KO of Maskaev reminded Rahman's KO loss to Oleg.

    Then Kirk beat 38-1-2 Larry Donald in eliminator and fought Ruiz.

    Ruiz was losing the fight but acted as always. Faked low blows (like in all Holyfield fights, too) and King referee Cortez DQ'd Kirk.

    Ruiz also headbutted Kirk like Victor Ortiz, but of course, Cortez never took a point off Ruiz.

    Should've Kirk won Roy Jones would've likely stayed at LHW.

    Then was 1 more good win over 43-4 Savarese but eventually Kirk lost hunger, balooned to 260 lbs and was destroyed by Vitali.

    The guy had speed, power and good skills. Shame that his career went that way. At least he could've and should've won that WBA belt.
     
  2. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Krispy Kreme ko'd him. He'd be a viable Wilder opponent tho
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean he'd be viable opponent for January 16th? :)
     
  4. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    For Wilder's camp. He fits the bill. He can't he and bigger than Nichols
     
  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He was a legit top 5 hw at his peak. Ruiz got a steal against him, Johnson was winning the fight minus the bogus point deductions and corrupt dq.
     
  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, and it was not the only Ruiz' 'win'. In Holyfield 2 old Holy KO'd Johnny with bodyshot, but Cortez took off 2 points and gave Ruiz 5-minute break.

    King ruled the WBA at that time
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ruiz also had some of the most inflated scores of any hw champ I can think of. Ruiz McCline isn't exactly a classic, but if you can stand watching it, its basically a 50/50 fight, and Ruiz won a wide UD.
     
  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, McCline, Golota or Holyfield 3, all were scored by King's pocked judges.

    King tried to make a star of Ruiz as first ever Mexican HW champion, but with Johnny's style it was a hard task.
     
  9. Matt in a hat

    Matt in a hat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah he was good. of course in the 90's golden Era he was lost in the shuffle.
    Even fringe contenders were dangerous then.

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  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    You've got it dead right. Kirk won the WBA crown that night against Ruiz but as you said the tag team of Ruiz & Cortez made sure he didn't. That was blatant robbery. Ruiz acting & Cortez corruption really ruined Kirks career. He was in great shape for that fight & getting robbed the way he was was enough to get him to give up. Whether his injury before the proposed Lewis fight was 100% or not but when he went in against Vitali he was just there for the paycheck. He was way overweight & undertrained. It was so sad to see him go out like that because in the shape he was in for Ruiz he'd have given Vitali all he wanted & more. Kirk was a real nice guy too he deserved better:patsch
     
  11. 5016

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    The Maskaev fight made Kirk. At the time Maskaev was expected to be a champion.

    Kirk was losing the fight, and had his eyes closed when he landed the finisher. It later turned out that Maskaev wasn't what we thought.

    He had some talent, Johnson, though. You look at someone like Fury, who has 10% of the talent, but does have size and "bottom" as Egan would have it, and is therefore 10x the fighter, and you realize why they have to fight the fights rather than listen to us discuss them.
     
  12. Staminakills

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    Kirk actually had very good skills but had no heart and didn't give a chit once he had some cash.

    He would come in up to like 250 at times, looked like he never had a training camp. Once he got ko'd, it was over for him at the true contender level. He kind of reminded me, just thinking back now, like a little bigger chambers always fighting at hw.

    If you check out the condition he came in for ruiz and wlad you'd lose a ton of respect for him. If you really have any
     
  13. ForemanJab

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    He was a decent fighter. Too bad he showed up 30 pounds overweight in an embarrassing performance against Klitschko.
     
  14. DrBanzai

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    "The whale has been harpooned."
     
  15. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Ruiz was Puelto Lican.