The term super heavyweight with skills has no official guideline. Here's mine

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Perhaps it was because Wlad was using the jab to set up the 40% of power punches he was landing and which stopped Peter.
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Regarding the acceptance of Super Heavyweight and their widely projected future domination at the open class surly now is the time to make it the official name for the division. Superheavyweight.

    Get rid of the word "Cruiserweight" and calling them "Heavyweight" will give the fighters of this division much more chance of going "mainstream" with the general public. Nobody knows what a cruiser is even now. We have reached the stage where a 6'6" 224 pounder can make cruiserweight anyway. That's a heavyweight!
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Jess Willard, Abe Simon, Jack O'Halloran, Julius Long, etc...

    I would say Valuev had some skill.

    There's two near 7 foot undefeated prospects out there today. One from China, the other from South Africa. I would put them both below Valuev.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Right. Dino forgot to mention that. Wlad's connect percentage is well above average.
     
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  5. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Actually there has been quite a few complete heavyweights, but none since Lennox Lewis retired.
     
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  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always thought that the term skiled superheavyweight meant that he fought after 1970. Is this not correct?

    Is the consensus that Tyson Fury is a skilled super heavyweight?
     
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  7. andrewa1

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    I agree with your premise but two points. 1. The weight discrepancies don't exactly correlate to your examples, because the weight difference percentage is lower than at the lower weights. I.E., 60 pounds for a 120 fighter vs a 180 fighter is half again, 50 pounds for a 200 fighter vs a 250 fighter is 25% again.
    2. Height and weight is much more important than reach, imo. Vitali only had 79 reach, but shorter fighters with longer reach than him couldn't touch him because of his height (and reflexes). Weight is the most important, height #2, reach distant #3. I don't think reach should even factor into SHW designation.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    I think Vitali reach is a little understated. I've seen 80" many times. I prefer the term striking distance measured from the armpit to the end of the fist as broad shoulders and long fingers which count in measuring traditional reach really don't add to one's striking distance.

    HBO uses such measurements, and Vitali's was 29.5" which was .5" greater than Lennox Lewis. Wlad by the way who has a traditional 81" reach only measures out at 26" from the pit of the arm to the fist on HBO's measurement.

    In terms of importance between height, reach and weight I think its pretty even. The extra fatty weight, of course, is not good.

    Shorter fighters lose " striking distance " once they punch upwards, so height certainly plays a big role in boxing.

    I disagree, reach most certainly matters!

    Usually, the taller fighters have more reach, but not always.

    Sonny Liston was a shade above 6 feet tall, yet he had eagerly long arms with a traditional 84" reach
     
    Mendoza, Dec 9, 2015
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  9. Mendoza

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    I would say no. He's a moderately skilled boxer who just happens to have towering size, mobility and extremely long arms.

    A Skilled super heavyweight usually dominates the scorecards vs smaller opponents, and that's not the case with Fury.
     
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  10. ticar

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    the klits don't have long arms like lewis or bowe, i've seen wlad and vitali listed at 79 inch, which seems correct.

    no way wlad has 81 inch reach, tyson fury at 85 inch reach dwarfed him. no way the reach difference is only 4 inches between tham, probably about 7 inches.
     
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