For how long do you consider Wlad to have been the true HW champ?

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  1. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Which is why lineal is worthless.

    WHO considered Gus Lusnevich greater than Archie Moore?

    Quit arguing Gus as a great fighter.
     
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  2. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    You don't really want this again, do you?

    Did you know that Wlad vs Peter I was an elimination fight to become mandatory challenger for 2 different titles? This is because they were both considered the top 2 contenders in the world. Yes, Wlad lost a couple fights prior to that... and? Then he won, and got himself back into position to again challenge for the title. That's called boxing. Just to show how clearly they were the top 2 contenders at the time, Wlad beat Peter and went on to win the IBF, WBO, WBA, ect.... and Peter went on after the loss to win the WBC title.

    After Wlad beat Peter, he was clearly recognized by anyone watching boxing at the time as the #1 challenger in the world. He was a mandatory for both the IBF, and the WBO.... he went after the IBF because Brewster, the WBO Champ, chose not to fight Wlad until he was going to be forced to do so, which was going to be a year down the road. Of course we know... Wlad also beat Brewster shortly after, as well.

    You are WAY too wrapped up in Ring magazine ratings, and imaginary "lineal" titles. Try watching the sport and seeing the obvious for a change.:good
     
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  3. The Mongoose

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    In the 40s, he would be arguing Gus as greater than Charles, Bivibs, and Moore. Disgusting.
     
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  4. Cisco Route

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    I accept your surrender...
     
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  5. Cisco Route

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    Deez Nuts.

    Lol...
     
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  6. The Mongoose

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    I accept your surrender.
     
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  7. The Mongoose

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    No wander the Egyptians were conquered and enslaved, and lost their ancient dna, if they went around accepting surrenders that were never offered.
     
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  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I've been lurking around this site for many years. I'm going to be honest here... you are by far, the weakest of the Klitschko haters that I have come across. You literally have nothing to offer. It's disappointing, to be honest.
     
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  9. The Mongoose

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    He is inferior..

    Perhaps too much inbreeding from his ancestors.
     
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  10. bailey

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    So many posters should take note of this. Its a magazine and someones opinion only
     
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  11. Cafe

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    I'll just say that I clearly remember him being the champ before the Povetkin or Haye fights. The lineal criteria doesn't fly with me.
     
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  12. The Mongoose

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    History lesson.

    The actual governing did not have numerical ratings.

    They had a group of contenders, and a more exclusive group of logical contenders.

    The 1 vs 2 nonsense isn't exactly historical.

    When a title was vacated, they ordered a fight between two logical contenders...and everyone went along with their selections.


    A real history lesson there
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    The problem is, back then everyone did go along with it and everyone did fight who they had to and there was clarity as to who the champion was. Now there isn't which is why I stick to strict criteria.
     
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  14. The Mongoose

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    Who's ratings do you use?

    Their are fan and writer sites who have no real power so their contenders rarely meet and the organizations who don't recognize other champions, and Ring who did not follow this 1 vs 2 rule when naming several champions..including Vitali and Rahman.

    RING named the winner of Rahman vs Lewis their champion. Which went to Rahman.

    Not sure who was their 1 when they rematched, I assume Lewis, but could have been Tyson, Wlad, or Byrd for all we know.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    This is the problem with the lineal concept in today's boxing climate. There is absolutely no mainstream prestige to be a lineal champion.

    No reporter is saying to Wilder "you aren't a champion, Fury is" no one said to Jones Jr "you aren't a champion, Michalczewski is"

    This is, imo a problem with boxing right now. But how does it relate to how I view fighters? Wlad imo has been a true champion since beating Povetkin. Now someone saying champion since Povetkin or since Byrd has zero impact on how I personally rank Wlad. I rank on H2H win ability. To beat Wlad you need to be a certain type of fighter and not many through history fit the criteria of those I'd favour over him. I have him top 15.

    It is harder to crown a lineal champion but does that mean as fans we should accept all these title holders and follow the rules of the sactioning bodies? Or should we stay strong and keep firm in our criteria.
     
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