Has Deontay Wilder set a dubious record for heavywieights?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Wilder's title defenses are thus:

    Eric Molina not in the top 15

    Johann Duhaupas not in the top 40

    Artur Szpilka, not in the top 15. Fight scheduled for January 2016.

    Has any heavyweight champion, Lineal or Alphabet version faced worse than this in his first three title defenses?
     
  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Johnson-Sosnowski-Briggs has got to be up there. :deal
     
  3. Pugilist_Spec

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    And Duhaupas is kind of underrated. He beat Charr and fought a close fight with Teper, which went to the decision. Definitely top 40. Wilder is still horrible.
     
  4. fists of fury

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    Wilder...I will admit that up until a few weeks ago I loathed him. The paucity of skill in his opponents was absurd, and the quality of his 'title' challengers has been a disgrace. Truly a disgrace.
    To date, the only respectable fighter he has faced has been (uh, that fat Rasta guy) who was not that convincing himself.

    But then I read that his daughter Naieya had spina bifida. It's a tragic story, and I read that Wilder was totally insistent that the baby be born. I have to totally respect that.

    If that little girl and her family can enjoy life thanks to what her daddy achieves, then God bless that man and his career. I hope he makes a zillion.
    They say he fights for her, and even if part of that is just good copy, I am sure much of that is real and true.

    So sorry Mendoza, not that answer you were (justifiably) aiming for. But still. I'm a fan, I have to admit.
     
  5. fists of fury

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    I think he beats the version of Wlad that Fury fought, I have to say. Probably Fury too.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    I said first three title defenses, and the fighters you mentioned were better than the non top 15 opponents that Wilder selected.

    Johnson was in the top ten, and Briggs was a dangerous puncher / former lineal champ.

    By the way, Wilder didn't pick Briggs. Briggs would have taken this fight.

    Yes, Wilder won, but he was exposed twice in the victory.
     
  7. Pugilist_Spec

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    It's hard for me to favor him against any big puncher. He has glaring holes in his defense and a dodgy jaw.

    He does seem to have good power, athleticism and some boxing skill, but when was the last time you saw a heavyweight champion of the world throw windmill punches? Seriously?
     
  8. Mendoza

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    You can be a fan ( many fighters have tragedy in their life somewhere ), but first you have to be a fan of the sport.

    What the heck has happened to the division.

    Fury won a very ugly and uneventful fight vs Wlad, then the IBF criminally strips him!

    So now Gazkov and some unknown are fighting for the IBF title.

    Wilder owns the WBC title, but he has yet to face one top ten rated opponent. He's a belt milker.

    And Fury, who I think is top 2-4 has much to prove, and it would surprise few if he was taken out.

    Heavyweight boxing in December 2015 is at a very low point. Wilder is a reason why.

    The best of the lot right now is Povetkin.
     
  9. Pugilist_Spec

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    Johnson lost to Charr who lost to Duhaupas.

    Molina was bad but you can't beat Sosnowski.

    Briggs was a corpse. Szpilka is at least a live body and can dent too.

    They're comparable.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    LOL, no you can't use old age in the A beats B theory.

    Johnson was undefeated and top 10 ring magazine ranked when Vitali fought him.

    Duhapus was even worse than Charr in his prime.

    Szpika? Who has he beaten? The guy has but 21 fights, and lost his only one vs a top 40 opponent via KO well behind on the cards. Szpika has been feed journeyman and way past their prime types.

    I'm not saying Sosnowski was great, but he had far more wins and beat better competition leading up to his title shot in comparison to Szpika.

    For the good of the sport, Wilder better defeat Szpika.

    Could you imagine Szpika, GLazkov, and Fury as the " champions " That would suck, as there are better fighters who are not champions
     
  11. fists of fury

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    I won't mount much of a defense.

    I think this was bound to happen once the dominant figure in the division has been screwed over by Father Time. We knew as much. History has proven thus.

    If I am to champion a gatekeeper type, let that guy be Wilder. His story at least pulls at heartstrings. As good a reason as any.

    It's open season on the heavyweight division. For a spell, that may actually be a good thing.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Briggs was gone , he had been feeding on ham an eggers.
    Johnson was unbeaten because he had fought nobody , when he upped his level of opponent the losses began appearing.
    Sosnowski had beaten no one and had lost to 3rd rater Zuri Lawrence ,23-14-4
    He had no business anywhere near a title shot.

    They are comparable to the three you mentioned.

    That said ,Wilder should up his quality of challenger.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    Bermane Stiverne and Malik Scott were legitimately good heavyweights. John Duhaupas is better than his rating suggested. The rest is pretty much garbage, but then again he's probably not the one pulling the strings.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Duhaupas can certainly take a shot,tough man!
     
  15. TBooze

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    I fully understand your point, but I raise you Tommy Burns' then (including now Eire) UK tour of 1907-08: Gunner Moir KO10; Jack Palmer KO4 and Jem Roche KO1!