Sonny Liston vs Lennox Lewis

What lame reply, about time you get of Lewis' jock.

 

Lewis was knocked out into the next dimension by one of the widest, most telegraphed right hand ever seen in a HW title fight as he was retreating to the ropes. Only a fool would suggest that a slow, mediocre fighter like Hasim Rahman could do that to Lewis but an ATG like Liston with his pressuring footwork combined with his punching ability couldn't do the job.

 

It you're worried about time, to do something, you might want to focus on spelling. You apparently can't even write a 10 word sentence correctly. Moron.

 

Ya this is coming from a guy with a vcash balance of 75. Good job when it comes to predicting fights

And what about the rematch? How convenient of you to not bring that up.

Fact is, no fighter, not Liston, or Lewis, get to where they are by not having certain attributes. Lewis was just a better, more skilled boxer, than Sonny, with comparable power, and given the amount of punchers he fought, he didn't go down all that often. I would guess that on average, Lewis fought guys who were on average a good 20-25lbs heavier than Liston's opponents, and many were also skilled.

Hell, Foreman was down as many times in the Lyle fight as Lewis was in his whole career.

And technically Liston was stopped 3 times. Twice by Ali and once by Martin.

And even though Tyson was down, many more times than Lewis, no one uses that as an excuse to justify an outcome.

Hell he even tried to bite his way out of a fight, and he still gets a pass.

Fact is Lewis would have about a 30lb weight advantage on him,
a 4" height advantage and is just an over all better boxer, and he's quicker, among other things.

All that said, I think it's a fight that could conceivably go either but I'm not prepared to sit back and listen to this pathetic glass jaw argument.

Fact is Lewis won 42/44 fights which is a 95.4% win rate, so the glass jaw argument, at best, could perhaps apply to 4.6% of his outcomes.

How do you like those odds? Because they are about to get worse.

Now if you consider the Mercer fight and others, he's probably been hit cleanly, with power shots, about 50 times at fight * 40 fights is roughly 2,000 of which two caused him to go down.

That's a .1% average, so it's not looking too good for those who refuse to learn a little statistics.

 

lennox lewis knocks out sonny liston

 

Funny you bring up my Vcash as if it has any relevance to this disscusion. Just for your inquiring mind I've won on almost all my e-bets on this site. It was the last fight I bet on, the Povetkin/Takam fight which I blew most of my points betting on the over. Had the fight lasted 30 secs more I would've won but I digress....

You base your arguments about this fight on the premise that Lewis is unquestionably the superior boxer, I don't quite agree but that's your opinion. For my tastes Liston had the superior, more authoritative jab, the better footwork especially with cutting off the ring. Unlike Lewis Liston constantly moved his head/hips establishing rhythm and breaking it , milling with the lead hand, feinting his jab, coming at different intervals and different positions as he shifted his weight, he was better than Lewis at blocking and riding shots with his forearms and elbows and for my take he had a superior awareness of distance and angles.

You boast about Lewis' height and weight advantage over Liston as if it's somehow the deciding factor here but as I recall the men that shattered him were smaller in frame. Lewis in his career struggled moreso with these smaller opponents, the larger more ponderous ones were those that he performed better against.

You can spin the numbers anyway you want to reflect a better image of your beloved but the truth remains that mediocre fighters brutally stopped him twice with single punches in a period that was undoubtably his prime while he was a defending champion. How many HW champs of the past carry that ignominious distinction? That list is very short and Lewis is at the front of it.

 

Despite what the tennis player says, l agree.

 

Funny, he's also on a list of one of the few fighters to have beaten every man who stepped into the ring with him, even if two were via rematch.

Maybe you should re-read this 5-6 -times because the way you're trying to present your pathetic glass jaw argument you appear to be unaware of this.

 

Show me the lists you have seen then, from websites. From experts.

 

:huh

 

Vanboxingfan, with all the respect, you're trying too hard to convince someone who dislikes Lennox and won't change his mind.

Lewis was hit cleanly by Ray Mercer, but he wasn't hit cleanly 50 times in 40 fights=2000 power punches in career. If he were, he'd been knocked out at least 5 times even if his chin was 9/10.

For example, neither Ruddock nor Golota never touched Lennox with decent power shot, same with Grant, Botha, Morrison etc.

If Lewis was hit cleanly 2000 times by powershots in 40 fights, it would've meant he had zero defensive skills which as we know isn't true.

 

I agree with your point but disagree with Grant not landing. Morrison landed some solid shots too but yeah not his honey punch.

Anyway Lewis tasted plenty of leather in his career and had a solid chin which is ultimately the correct point Vanboxingfan is making. But yeah once someone labels him glass jaw and sticks on his losses it's usually pointless exercise debating with them.

 

You could be right. Some fights he was' hit much other times such as against Vitali and Mercer he was hit plenty of times. But you could reduce those numbers in 1/2 or even 1/4 (less than 12.5 punches per fight) and it wouldn't change the point. So then we'd be talking about twice out of 500 = .4
As to another one of your comments about trying to chance someone's mind about Lewis, that's not my objective. I'm been on this sites for about 15 years and l don't think l've ever seen even one person change their mind. I'm merely trying to point out how pathetic the glass jaw argument is.

 

Fair play mate.

 

Oh yes, Grant landed very early without much effect. Just rewatched it.

Lennox had solid chin.

I think it's at least 6 of 10

(10 - McCall.
1 - David Price)