Dempsey vs Liston

Listen.....when I comment concerning your expertise you can insult me. Don't insult me when I speak on a subject I far outpace you. You are young and very inexperienced and your years don't even go back to the Ali era let alone being able to understand the technical aspects that Dempsey did so well. In your world Tyson Fury is a great hwt and Dempsey does not rate. This is such an ass backwards mindset you could not be more ass backwards.

A quitter is not gutting it out with Dempsey and coming out on top. Dempsey gets inside Liston relatively easily, controls the fight in close and owns Liston in close.

 

The only fighter who ever came close to 'owning' Liston when anywhere near his prime was a 6'3 210lb lightning fast dude who also happened to be one of the best heavyweights ever. But Dempsey's going to do it by charging into Sonny's wheelhouse? Can't see it personally. If Dempsey fights Liston the way he did Firpo he's getting flattened.

 

I too think Sunday drinking is a noble pastime.

 

This one is too close for me to call, but, that being said, anyone, and I mean ANYONE Demspey connected on would be hurt by his punches and this includes Sonny. Everyone who fought Dempsey, who sparred with him said the guy's power was unbelievable, undeniable. Jack Sharkey, who fought Louis, said that the hardest punch he ever got hit with was Dempsey's left hook. So in essence, if you say Dempsey could not hurt Liston, you are saying neither could Louis. And Joe could tear anyone's head off.

 

I've been a fan of boxing for 40 years and boxed for 5 or so and i firmly believe boxing technique moves on every 30+ years.
Theres a quantum leap between dempsey and Louis just as there is between Liston and Lewis.
I just don't see why Dempsey is rated so highly.

 

Dempsey broke Sharkey's shoulder and dislocated his hip?? How did he survive 7* rounds with him?

*would have been more but for the low blows/sucker punch sequence.

 

Neither do I! And we're asked to take seriously the opinions of guys like Tunney and Sharkey? How does this even make sense?

 

things move on, its a fact of life.look at usain bolt and Jessie owens.
I remember seeing roy jones for the first time and wondering how any of the fighters from the past could beat him and he wasn't a fighter I was particularly fond of.

 

Liston has his issues with The Michigan Bomber. AKA Marty Marshall.

This one is hard to call.

Dempsey has the edge on speed and perhaps chin. And he really bombs out bigger and slower fighters.

Liston has the edge on technical skills, and perhaps power.

 

OK, if you want to go with pre-prime performances, Dempsey got cold****ed by a worn out ham and egger and was beaten to the body so badly by John Lester Johnson that he never fought another black man again.

Now we are even.

 

Again, no detail, no specifics, no ana lysis worth a sh*t. It is becoming painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.

And, by the by, did Dempsey "quit" against Flynn or was his mandible dented by a guy who had only won one of his previous seven fights?

 

We are.

Please don't list the Flynn KO 1, or Meehan fiasco's!

 

I am just an outsider in this discussion, but why are Liston's early fights fair game,

but no one should bring up Flynn or John Lester Johnson, or Johnny Sudenberg?

Sauce for the goose and sauce for the gander.

Meehan's fights might be revealing in showing that a guy who carried the fight to Dempsey and got off first could handle him even if he wasn't all that big or hard hitting.

The big guys that Dempsey fought were, off the fight reports and film, rather passive except for Firpo. They played into Dempsey's hands by waiting for him to come to them and thus allowing him to get off first and attack. Liston would carry the fight to Dempsey from the start, I think.

If Liston can force Dempsey backwards, he wins easy.

Big if, though.

 

I think he gap in talent between the big men that Dempsey fought and Liston is so cavernous that the value to any comparison is almost nil.

The most we can say is that Dempsey was capable of beating men larger than Liston but with far less athleticism and skill.