Prime Holyfield VS Prime Lewis

Again, you keep bringing up the first fight when we're referring to the second one. You combine both fights and score all the rounds from both fights. atsch That's not how it works at all. You score 1 fight as 1 fight. Not two. You're literally so biased, I can't even. It's ridiculous.

So when you cite newspapers supporting your belief it's the biggest thing since 9/11, when I cite evidence its "blah blah blah."? :huh

I'm watching the second fight right now. I'll give you my scorecard as soon as I can.

 

His posts make it seem that way.

 

Nice lie there. Shame you've been caught. From an old thread about eight years ago.

"I just watched Holyfield/Lewis II again. I scored it 6-5, 1 even for Holyfield tonight (115-114). This is interesting because the 1st 2 times I scored the fight, I scored it 8-4 for Lewis, 116-112. But I think I may be seeing what Burt Sugar, Larry Holmes, Michael Moorer, and several ringside journalists apparently saw - which was a close win for Evander. For the record, Lewis was most certainly jobbed in their 1st fight - I scored the first fight 9-3 for Lewis if I remember correctly.

Holyfield/Lewis II is a tough fight to score. Specifically, rounds 5, 8, and 9 are brutally tough rounds to score that really could be scored either way. Round 1 is close as well. I watched several of these rounds multiple times, I played back some of the exchanges, I even watched a couple of the close rounds with the sound off just to see how that affected things. Very difficult fight to score. Holyfield certainly doesn't get dominated like he did in the first fight.

I lean toward Holyfield ever so slightly in the fight because he seems to be the effective aggressor, he is the one coming forward, landing the more telling blows, and Lewis is far less accurate, particuarly with his jab, in the 2nd fight than he was in the 1st fight. Holyfield's jab seems far more effective, and he lands several good left hooks in the fight. I like Lewis's body attack in this fight, and he has some beautiful uppercuts, particuarly in round 9. But again I scored it for Holyfield by a point this time.

Here is my round by round breakdown from my most recent viewing tonight.

Round 1 - Holyfield
Lewis lands a good jab flush and a decent 1-2 in the first minute. Holyfield lands a decent jab to Lewis chest. Halfway through the round Holyfield whacks Lewis to the side of the head 3 times. Lewis uppercut misses on Holyfield's right glove though the announcers say it hit Holyfield. With 45 seconds to go in the round Holyfield lands a nice 2 punch combo on the inside and then they clinch (ref Halpern makes it tough to see it though). Holyfield again jabs to the chest. Again evident that Holyfield's jab is more effective, at least in this round. Holyfield is the one pushing the fight, coming forward, trying to engage. I know scoring round 1 this way might be controversial since all 3 judges gave it to Lewis, but honestly everytime I have watched this fight I have given round 1 to Holyfield - even the first 2 times where I scored the fight 8-4 Lewis I still gave round 1 to Holyfield. Again the key here is that Holyfield is the effective aggressor in the round.

Round 2 - Lewis
Clear round for Lewis. Goods jabs and a good uppercut in the first minute by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much here. Lewis the aggressor in the round, unlike round 1. Good jab and uppercuts again by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield to the body, and a pretty good left hook to Lewis's body. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Decent left hook. Good round for Lewis - clearly his round, Lewis's jab was much more effective here and he landed those uppercuts.

Round 3 - Holyfield
Lewis missing a lot of punches initially. But good jab and uppercuts again 40 seconds into the round by Lewis. Good triple jab by Holyfield halfway through. Decent jabs by Lewis. Slight edge to Lewis so far in the round. Excellent overhand right by Holyfield, biggest flush shot in the round so far. Holyfield whacks Lewis a couple times at the end of the round. I gave the round to Evander due to the quality of his punches. Again a close round though. But Holyfield had the more telling blows and was more the aggressor in round 3.

Round 4 - Lewis
Neither one landing really anything in the first 35 seconds. Holyfield lands a good counter right hand. A couple of jabs by Lewis. Nice jab by Lewis 1 minute 20 seconds in. Some more solid jabs by Lewis. Good right hand by Lewis near the end of the round.

Round 5 - Even
Not a big round for Lewis like Lampley says it is (I like Lampley but I disagree with him about this round). Great left hook by Holyfield, maybe the most flush shot in the fight. Right right hand by Lewis but doesn't land flush despite Lampley's insistence "a big right hand." Holyfield comes back with a left hook. Lewis lands another good right hand. Uppercut, some jabs by Lewis. Decent left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield comes back with a left to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Holyfield coming forward. Good left to the body by Holyfield. I scored it an even round, Lewis threw more punches but Holyfield was the aggressor in the round going after Lewis and had the best punch in the round early in the round. Very close round though. Even round.

Round 6 - Holyfield
Good, effective jabs by Holyfield. Much more active than Lewis at this point. Lewis gets in an uppercut. But good left to the head by Evander. 1-2combo by Lewis. Right hand by Lewis. Holyfield clearly the aggressor in the round so far. Attempted some big looping overhand rights that missed but still hitting his jabs. Not much activity from Lewis here. More good jab work by Holyfield. Good round for the Real Deal.

Round 7 - Holyfield
I wish more of their rounds was like this one. Best round of their 2 fights. Lewis nice combinations to start out. Uppercut by Lewis. Strong left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield goes to the body. Lewis seems a bit rattled, perhaps hurt some by the left hook earlier. Lewis clinching. Good body shots by Holyfield. Great left hook by Holyfield, snapped Lewis's head back. Good right hand by Lewis. Strong right hand by Lewis. Great round. But Holyfield landed the more telling blows in this round. The short left hook bothered Lewis, and the left hook later on scored big too. Holyfield's round.

Round 8 - Holyfield
Right hand by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield. Not much happening though. Good left hook by Holyfield, backing Lewis up, best punch of the round by far. Lewis goes to the body some. Lewis seems a bit lazy here with his hands down. A couple jabs for Lewis. Both get a couple jabs to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Solid uppercut by Lewis but not flush. Good left hook by Holyfield. Both trying to flurry at the end of the round. Amazingly close round, perhaps the closest of the fight, but I gave it to Holyfield because he landed the best punch of the round, the left hook 1 minute in, and he closed the round nicely with another left hook and then a right hand.

Round 9 - Lewis
Holyfield outjabbing Lewis to start the round. Good loopoing overhand right by Holyfield. Strong beginning by Holyfield in the first minute. Body shots by Lewis. Lots of clinching now. Good triple jab by Holyfield. Holyfield has won the first 2 minutes of the round. Another good left hook to the body by Lewis. Both going at it. Great uppercut by Lewis. Good combinations by Lewis. Lewis scoring some more. I like that they are both going after each other again, ala round 7. Holyfield flurries a bit at the end. I like the aggression both showed in the round. Another close round, I gave it to Lewis due to the uppercut being the best punch of the round. Could see this round being scored either way. Giampa scored it for Holyfield, and the other 2 scored it for Lewis.

Round 10 - Lewis
Some decent jabs by Lewis. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Holyfield trying to establish his jab some. Body punches by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much this round. Missing some. Good counter combo by Lewis. Another good combo punctuated by a good uppercut by Lewis. Two more good body shots by Lewis. Good left hook by Lewis. Lewis looking great this round. Lots of clean shots landed. More body shots by Lewis. Great round for Lewis. Scored a lot shots, and didn't get hit much.

Round 11 - Lewis
Good jabs by Lewis. Holyfield with a couple of rights. Good left by Holyfield. Both jabbing. Left hook by Lewis. More jabs from Lewis. Top notch left hook by Holyfield, best punch of the round so far. Good body shot by Holyfield. Lewis counters with a good body shot. Holyfield lands a very good counter right hand. Good combo by Lewis. Another combo by Lewis.
I gave the round to Lewis because he was busier.

Round 12 - Holyfield
Great combination upstairs by Evander on Lewis. Holyfield lands some body shots on Lewis. Holyfield the agressor in this round so far. Left uppercut by Holyfield. More body attack by Commander Vander. Some jabs by Lewis. Not much activity from Lewis in this round so far. Another combo by Holyfield. Holyfield still going to the body. Solid right hand by Lewis. Clear round for Holyfield though, effective aggressor through out the round.

So Holyfield takes it 115-114. 6 rounds to 5, 1 even.

Thoughts? I must say I am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for Lewis the first 2 times I scored the fight, but now these last 2 times I seem to think Holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say Lewis won a close but clear decision, and I have no problem with that as I have scored this fight for him before.

The next time I watch it, I may see Lewis as the winner again.

But right now, Holyfield is my winner for their 2nd fight."

P.s, don't even bother using the excuse "Well, I never saw that post."

It's all right here: http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=13192

As you can see your reply is at the very bottom of the list. So you obviously saw it.

 

Putting words in my mouth again? How typical.

 

With that grammar, apparently not.

 

42 out of 48 ringside reporters had Holyfield the clear winner and they included the british press association.

 

That's funny because Foreman said, had the first fight not have happened, Holyfield would've gotten the decision.

 

You'll state all this bull**** but not what the press said about the fight. Don't worry. I'll save you the trouble. U.S. PRESS REACTION

WALLACE MATTHEWS (New York Post): Maybe this is boxing's way of telling Holyfield it is time to quit, or maybe the message is coming from an even higher authority. But if Holyfield can't win a decision after the way he fought last night, perhaps he just can't win anymore . . . The Post had Holyfield a 116-112 winner.

DOUG KRIKORIAN, who had it 117-114 in Holyfield's favour (Long Beach Press-Telegram): . . . for a large portion of a fierce brawl marked by dramatic ebbs and flows, Holyfield out-hustled, out-slugged and out-thought his plodding opponent . . . Indeed, in a performance that defied his age and wealth, the 37-year-old multimillionaire Holyfield seemed to be the dominant fighter in the lively proceedings with his harder punches and more aggressive tactics.

STEVE SIMMONS (Toronto Sun): The odd part of the judges' decision was that this fight was far closer than the first Holyfield-Lewis bout in March, which was scored a draw. Some ringside observers had Holyfield winning last night, some had Lewis winning. The Sun scored the bout a draw. Any of those decisions would have been acceptable.

BOB KRAVITZ (Scripps Howard News Service): Of course, a draw would have been an invitation to riot. They had to give it to somebody. The question is, why Lewis? What did he do to win the fight? . . . This was supposed to be the night Lewis was revealed. Instead, it was the night he was exposed.

BILL LYON (Philadelphia Inquirer): Although the same decision was reached by all three judges, the verdict was far from unanimous among ringsiders. You could find almost as many people who thought Holyfield had won.

RON BORGES (Boston Globe): For 12 rounds, Evander Holyfield appeared to get the better of Lennox Lewis . . . but the three judges saw it differently . . . This time, instead of investigating just one judge [a reference to Eugenia Williams, who had Holyfield beating Lewis in their first bout], the federal government should haul all three up on charges, especially 83-year-old Bill Graham, whose scorecard was an advertisement for mandatory retirement.

DEAN JUIPE, who had it 114-114, a draw (Las Vegas Sun): That Lewis, by virtue of his three championships, is now the focal center of the sport merely reflects its mediocre condition. Technically he's the undisputed champion yet there's considerable dispute whether he truly deserved this victory, and there's little dispute he is hardly among the all-time greats.

CHRIS JONES, who had Holyfield winning, 115-113 (The National Post, Canada): Lewis seemed more relieved than ecstatic. He raised his arms after the fight, as he had eight months ago, but the joy didn't seem genuine this time around. It seemed forced.