I agree 100%, which is why rather than ignoring one or the other, consider what happened in both fights. That what I was trying to do, only to get push back from those with a clear agenda. :good But thankfully one of them is so stupid that he's pulling up polls supporting my position. You almost can't make this stuff up. :rofl
The only success Holyfield had in their 2 fights was when Lewis stopped boxing and decided to fight Evander. A younger Holyfield could and I imagine would do better against Lewis' jab and make Lewis work harder. But he'd also give Lewis more counter opportunities, which Holy was well aware of in both fights. A well matched fight with Lewis on points again possibly even a stoppage with Holyfield's over eagerness working against him.
He just changed the goal posts. He's now arguing majority wins, though the original comment he was called out on was nobody who scored for Holyfield could give a round by round, clearly many did. He's reacting like your argument was originally more posters scored it to Holyfield. He should just take that comment back.
If I recall correctly (it was 8 years ago) a few did give round by round accounts trying to support Holyfield but those who did, never agreed even among themselves which rounds Holyfield won. Obviously anyone can create a scorecard supporting their position, and it they don't change it they can argument that this was what the outcome was, even though the judges, and the vast majority of posters may disagree. But fine, I'll take that comment back, and let the poll and the entire thread speak for itself. Clearly the majority of posters, saw it the way I did, which to me ends up being the bottom line. Even on this thread, take a look at how many predicted Holyfield would knock out Lewis in their respective primes. Exactly one poster, and guess who it is?
No you're not slick. You're running away from the topic YOU brought up. I'm referring to the fact that you said you debated with 8-9 posters and none of them put up a round to round description of why they thought Holyfield won. Once again, this is what you said, "I've debated probably 8-9 posters over the years, and none of them have ever put forth a round by round justification as to Holyfield winning the second fight, but you want to try, then be my guest."
I'm not going to rehash an 8 year old thread just to continue an argument that has no bearing on anything. The point of the whole thread and the point of this discussion is to determine whether or not Holyfield was robbed in their second fight. So here are the results of the thread you yourself hunted down. Yes - Holyfield won a close decision 46 29.11% This content is protected Voters: 158. Clearly the vast majority of posters on ESB felt that the second fight was fairly awarded to Lewis. And of course the first fight was a blatant robbery of that there is absolutely no doubt.
Did you not just see my last posts? You're either flat out re****ed, or you're a troll. There's literally no other explanations.
Your last post(s) are tangents to the discussion on hand. (that ought to worth a google search for the word tangent) The name of the thread is Prime Holyfield vs Prime Lewis, not who scored a fight 8 years ago. The only thing relevant to this discussion is the fact that 70% of the posters thought, that the 2nd Holyfield fight was scored fairly. BTW, don't you get tired of losing every one of these arguments against me?
Even if it was one poster. (Which I doubt it was, but I'll check later. Don't worry) That's still one more than you claimed.
See, you keep bringing up other issues that have exactly nothing to do with this discussion. What you just stated is absolutely irrelevant to what I called you out on it. define your definition of losing. Exposing someone as a fantasist and a fraud? How about we let the other users decide who "lost" this argument?
You brought up the round by round thing as some sort of victory, now it's irrelevant to you..ok. I disagree, it looks to me as the scoring was consitent between both Lewis and Holyfield supporters. There are the same swing rounds everyone disagrees on. Lol...right, I don't think any poll in this board is any bottom line. Im sure you disagreed with plenty. Not surprised, Evander wasn't a knock out artist. At 37 years old, he did out point Lewis in the eyes of many writers and fans.
42 out of 48 ringside reporters had Holyfield the clear winner and they included the british press association.