Did Mayweather conciously avoid high stamina fighters?

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  1. MoJoGoodie

    MoJoGoodie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Margarito....NO...just no....

    PW would cause problems early maybe but he willingly gave up his height and reach allllll the time andhis defense was not anything special. He was so offensive driven that Floyd would most likely confuse him because Floyd wouldn/t engage enough for him to be as offensive thus causing him to be confused and a bit gun shy....would lose a comfortable UD.

    Martinez to me had the best chance of the three. Nice height, length, good speed and power. He was a lefty and was awkward at times with his punches. His footwork was quick enough to keep up with Floyd and his defense was solid as well. Of the three he was the best looking fighter from a total fighter aspect.
     
  2. VG_Addict

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    No. What about Hearns?
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    Absolutely not, that is absurd.

    Hell, all it took in his own era was Joshua Clottey (before the injury) to pretty much stalemate him in terms of physical strength, as the Ghanaian comprehensively outfought him in the early rounds while at 100%.

    Even in terms of stamina and work rate he doesn't rate among the division's greatest, either. Feo Rodriguez puts him to shame.
     
  4. scarecrow

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    Hearns was big and powerful. Also very skilled. But lacked the toughness, strength and stamina.

    Margarito is a pure rough rider.
     
  5. NY THE DON

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    its easier said than done.thanks to floyd jr being such a pvssy we will never know for sure.:deal
     
  6. scarecrow

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    I gotta say how does he never fight Williams, Martinez or Margarito. Three rough riding badasses.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    Mayweather and Martinez have barely any overlap in occupying the same division at the same time after Martinez even started to become a name. He was an obscure light middleweight campaigning in Europe while Floyd was at welterweight...and was middleweight champ when Floyd ventured up to 154lb.

    Williams had a longer window at welterweight during a time Floyd was there as well, but his star was on the rise still, not yet risen to where he and Floyd squaring off was some big missed opportunity. As soon as he started becoming a really big name, before you knew it he was a middleweight - and getting KTFO in the rematch with Martinez.

    Margarito is a joke.
     
  8. scarecrow

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    Magarito I'll admit is not a very skilled fighter. In terms of technical skills sometimes he was just being a complete mummy out there.

    But I'm going to assume you have boxed before and know this. It's very hard to deal with guys like Margarito.

    When I've boxed before I've had trouble dealing with physical fighters. They're just so tough and strong and they never run out of gas. You hit them, but they shrug it off and they just keep on coming to eviscerate you.

    At the end of the day we have to remember it's still a fight. And yes you can win on points, but at some point the other guy is just so tough and strong and determined that you're skill cannot cope with it.
     
  9. MoJoGoodie

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    you said Hearns was big and powerful but he lacks strength.....can you clarify?

    also how did he lack toughness?
     
  10. DKD

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    Mayweather hand picked every opponent since Dela Hoya.

    And before that all his opponents were hand picked for him.

    He also had so called 'A side' privilege throughout his career.

    Most mollycoddled fighter of his generation.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, those guys are tricky.

    Margarito isn't some unique snowflake. Lots of guys like him, down to every last detail.

    So why aren't you suggesting that Jesus Soto Karass would give Mayweather as many problems?

    A: because this myth has sprung up around Margarito that he posed some unique and special challenge based on his positive attributes, like nobody else has ever had them (let alone in the same weight range and contemporaneously)
     
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    You don't know what you're talking about.

    Fighting a world champion in your 18th pro fight at just 20 years old isn't what I'd call "having your opponents hand picked for you".
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    Margarito was just in the right place at the right time - a big, strong, high-volume welterweight in the rankings around the height of Floyd Hate Fever - and fit the bill of what people were desperately looking for in a bogeyman to beat Floyd. That is the only reason he was ever hyped. People just convinced themselves it would go down like Segura vs. Calderon or something, when the stylistic evaluation of Mayweather and Margarito in now way suggests anything similar. Segura may be a mini-Margo but Calderon was no mini-Mayweather. Calderon was great, but even in his prime (he was a bit past it by Segura I, another factor in confluence to add up to what happened) guys in the Margarito or Segura mold would have bothered him just based on styles. His style is nothing like Mayweather's, and they have completely different areas of strength and weakness. There was no logical reason to assume Mayweather could be just as susceptible to a Margarito/Segura type as Calderon was - just wishful thinking by haters.
     
  14. Drew101

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    Sugar Ray Robinson would like to have a word with you.
     
  15. cslb

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    or Tommy Hearns.