Most over- and underrated non-heavyweights on this forum?

Okay so you're one of those people. Maybe you even picked him. The way he beat Bradley and Algieri leading up to the fight was impressive. The bottom line is that he was overrated by many considering he was only about a 2:1 underdog against Floyd.

 

I'm not sure I follow. Mayweather-Pacquiao was just simply not a historically relevant fight as it happened in 2015.

And you keep bringing up the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. That's your problem, you think it mattered when frankly it just didn't matter.

 

That's like saying the Thrilla in Manilla didn't matter. Except they had both slipped more than Floyd and Pac.

 

We can ****yze this further. But I'm just going to leave at this. Pacquiao was clearly past his prime, IMO.

Not marginally so, but significantly past his prime. That is he was a significantly less dangerous fighter during the fight than he had been at previous points in his career. To the point where he was no longer able to score KO's and rule the boxing world with the tenacity of his fists.

That's my contribution to the May-Pac post fight ****ysis. Take it for what it's worth.

 

The fight that broke every conceivable record was not historically relevant.

What a load of horse ****.

 

I should have clarified. From a business standpoint it was relevant. In a pure boxing landscape it never answered the burning question.

 

I don't think Pac ever beats Floyd tbf, unless he catches him cold and stops him.

 

Floyd always would've won that fight. It would've just been a different excuse back then if it happened. But what I said is very basic, which is that there are people who overrate Pac. They have a specific term for them and there's a specific country where it's the norm to be one of them.

With that said, he's easily somewhere in the top 50 being conservative.

 

I just don't see how he's overrated. From a resume standpoint he's far and away the most accomplished fighter of his era.

 

Well, he isn't. Floyd is going down higher in the all time ratings.

 

I said from resume standpoint.

Do I have to really bring up the great fighters that Pacquiao beat, the manner that he beat them in and what stage of their careers they were in?

 

Pac's loss to Floyd is hardly a blemish at all, I think. Floyd is the naturally bigger fighter and himself an p4p ATG, so no shame there. And it's not like it was a domination - the judges had Floyd landing a bit more in most round of the little that was landed.

No, what hurts Pac's legacy the most is the struggles with Marquez imo.

 

Yep May Pac was a natural featherweight against a natural lightweight.

 

Both of whom fought at 147 for a very long time. Pac also seriously dried out at 126

 

I find this a hard question because on this forum nobody seems to get a consensus from what I can tell, everybody that gets praised seems to also get bashed.

Well not too many bash SRR but rightly so.

Plus do we mean "general" or in "classic" or both combined? Big difference between the two, lol, so much so that the answers would be very different.

Plus it only takes a few extremists to go on a rant or praise a fighter to over or under rate them anyways, at this forum that seems to constantly be changing back and forth :think

I know we are not talking heavy's but as a example I used to think Bowe was hugely over rated. However, that was simply because I had focused on a series of Bowe posts that had him as the best H2H heavy ever bar none. From several different posters with little disagreement. That ****ed me off to the degree that I went on a year long hate of Bowe after that. However, I recently read a fair bit of Bowe hate and watched his 3 fights with Holy over again and started thinking that he was a pretty incredible fighter even if I don't rate him as the very best. The point being is the reasons why we choose to over rate or under rate fighters is often very specific yet when we argue with each other about these ratings it seems we are not very specific. Which I think makes for all the confusing debates that soon take place thereafter, lol