Did Mayweather conciously avoid high stamina fighters?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I doubt you're being serious IB.
    Unless you're the physically stronger fighter, on the ropes is not a good place to be against Margarito.
    I'm sure Mayweather could make him miss upstairs, but what happens when Margarito keeps digging downstairs at a nonstop pace?
    Margarito hurt Pacquiao badly to the body, Pacquiao admits Margarito took a physical toll on him, and Pacquiao was on his bicycle giving his angles with his high workrate all night. Mayweather doesn't do it that way.

    JL Castillo hurt Mayweather to the body. Mayweather don't want none of that against the heavier handed Margarito.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That is Mayweather's office, though. He's maybe the most comfortable boxer of all time sitting on the ropes, and that includes Ali in the Jungle.

    Just look at the contrast between Maidana vs. Broner (a Mayweather pretender) when Maidana got him on the ropes, and Mayweather vs. Maidana - yes, Chino had a bit of success, but FAR less than he did with Broner.

    Mayweather also happily sat there and let DLH, Ortiz, Canelo, and numerous others tee off in vain while he assumed the defensive position and slipped or blocked 99% of everything thrown. (and that includes body shots! People were quick to make hullabaloo of De la Hoya and Ortiz scoring all these supposed body shots when they got Mayweather on the ropes but if you actually have a close look everything hits elbows or forearms, or is on the hip...not a legal scoring area)
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    As for Castillo hurting Mayweather with body shots - well a) Castillo is a much better fighter than Margarito and b) Mayweather was then a lightweight. By 2007 he was settled fully into welterweight. Talking about Margarito's body shots as if they were going to do proportionately more damage than Castillo's is silly, as Mayweather himself was bigger than he was against Castillo...making it not apples to apples. :good

    It wouldn't be a 147lb Margarito (rehydrated to like 160) whacking a 135lb Mayweather (rehydrated to 138lbs).

    It would be 147/160 Margarito hitting a 147/150lb Mayweather.

    (he only ever averaged putting three pounds back on after the weigh-in throughout his career, but unofficially 150 on fight night still makes him bigger than he was back at lightweight rehydrating to just 138..)
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Again IB, you're comparing apples and oranges.
    None of the guys you mention have nearly the workrate, chin, or stamina of Antonio Margarito, and all of the guys you mention never mounted a consistent body attack, in fact none of them ever do in their fights against other opponents.

    Which one of the fighters you mentioned is capable of consistently attacking a fighters body and keep on attacking it even while getting hard shots bounced of their noggin?????????

    Not a ****ing one IB, not a one, but Margarito did have that capability which is why he was able to beat better skilled fighter than he.

    Jesus Christ, its already been mentioned in this thread, skill doesn't always win the day, if it did, Margarito would have lost to a whole lot of fighters that he beat.
     
  5. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. We don't know for sure who would win in 2007 between Floyd and Margarito.

    I believe that Margarito would defeat Floyd. Not only that I think he would force the stoppage. Because at the end of the day Margarito is a complete style matchup nightmare against Mayweather.

    It's one thing to sit in your office on the ropes against no stamina having Cotto, Canelo, etc. It's a whole other thing to do it against a physical specimen like prime Magarito.

    Something that everybody has failed to refute in this thread: Mayweather doesn't have the power nor the strength to tie up or make Margarito back off.

    He deliberately avoided Margarito because of his unique chin, stamina and workrate.
     
  6. KO KIDD

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    I thought Margarito had the Floyd fight but all he had to do was get past Paul Williams?
     
  7. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If skill was all that mattered Hearns would have beaten Hagler comfortably. Barrera would have outboxed Pacquiao easily.

    Yet this is boxing. Sometimes you can win by just simply physically dominating your opponent.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather wasn't about to fight either of those style matchup nightmares.

    Paul Willams with his freakish physical size made Margarito look like a lightweight fighting a welterweight.
     
  9. KO KIDD

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    I was so sure they said it during the broadcast, I revisited that fight recently

    I think if the money was there Floyd would have fought him
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Iran Barkley with his primitive skills would have been outclassed by Tommy Hearns, and yet Barkley beat Hearns twice, by exciting KO and then by decision a few years later.

    Styles make fights, people somehow think that doesn't apply to one Floyd Mayweather Jr.
     
  11. divac

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    The most Mayweather had ever made by far was offered to him to fight Margarito.
    He turned it down and fought Carlos Baldomir instead.
    The Goosen promotional co. that promoted Mayweather's Baldomir fight had to say that Mayweather made 8 million to fight Baldomir so that Mayweather didn't come out looking like he was afraid of Margarito.

    Mayweather did not get paid 8 million to fight Baldomir, that much I'm absolutely sure of.
    At the time of this happening, Mayweather had not fought DLH and was not a PPV attraction.
    No way he got paid 8 million to fight a non-attraction like Carlos Baldomir
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    For the lineal title? After having previously made 6 million against Judah? ...and with Baldomir earning 1.6 million, you don't think Mayweather as the MUCH bigger star and B-side (despite being the challenger) got about 5x that amount? He was easily 5x as big a star as Baldomir, wouldn't you say?
     
  13. divac

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    The money in a Baldomir fight wasn't there, everyone that knew anything about PPV numbers at the time knew that.
    Even the Goosen brothers knew they'd lose major bucks if they paid Mayweather 8 million for the Baldomir fight, they even admitted that.
    The Goosen's story at the time was that it was an investment of sorts and they'd reap the rewards in Mayweather's future fights.
    I highly doubt the Goosen brothers were as dumb as to shell out 8 million to Mayweather without having him sign on the dotted line for the Goosen's having his rights.
    As it turned out, Mayweather dumped the Goosens and went on to have GBP promote him.
    Where did the Goosen's make money here??????

    I'll tell you. They didn't, and neither did Mayweather walk away from the Baldomir fight with 8 million dollars.
     
  14. scarecrow

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    I think an unbiased person can clearly see that Mayweather wanted nothing to do with Margarito. He choose to blatantly duck him.

    Now who would have won is up in the air. But Mayweather wanted none of it.

    And honestly not too many fighters would have wanted a piece of prime Margarito.

    He's one of the last of a dying breed. A come forward hard-nosed fighter.
     
  15. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think an unbiased person, can see that Mayweather has beaten far superior fighters thn Margarito, and no body cares about a cheating bum who isn't even going to make the HOF not being on Floyd's resume. You don't choose Maragrito over DLH