If Manny fought and beat Crawford, top 3 win?

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What you think?
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Best win since Chatchai Sasakul.
     
  3. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Easily top 3 win, under the current circumstances, it'll really be his best wins yet.

    Yes, better than a drained cotto who had his buday as his main trainer. Truth is that whole training camp was to get Beck down to 145, which was far too low with his very thick mass


    NO WAYNE will he fight crawford if he plans on continuing his career. His best move is for him to fight TB again and IF he finds a way to win (highly unlikely he wins) he could then go for 1 last big payday against either Jmm (jmm should be old enough for pac to possibly win),or crawford.

    I just don't think he could best any of them with roach as his trainer.. it's possible roach was a good trainer at one point BUT, he refuses to acknowledge that defense is very very important part of boxing, in reality it's a top 3 skill..

    Boxing abilty, as a whole.ring
    Stamina.
    And
    Defense.

    Those are the top 3 most important
     
  4. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends on how badly he won. The best fighters that Pacquiao beat.

    1. Barrera
    2. Marquez
    3. Sasakul
    4. Cotto
    5. Bradley
    6. Ledwaba
    7. Morales (was faded)
    8. Hatton (was faded)
    9. DLH (was totally shot)

    I think Crawford would be in that 4-6 range.
     
  5. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know it ticks some people off when guys bring up Sasakul. But Sasakul did defeat the best flyweight of the 90s.

    Sasakul was the real deal at the prime of his career.

    If he had been a welterweight people would call him ATG.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are so many better wins. It would be a top win compared to other wins from ATGs in the twilight of their careers, but not top 3 overall in his total career.
     
  7. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Roach values defense. He taught Pacquiao the high guard head movement style defense.

    Compare Pacquiao pre Roach to the 126 Pacquiao and notice how much better he was at 126.

    Pacquiao didn't care about defense why did he keep his gloves up?
     
  8. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    maybe 11-12 range...crawford who???

    margarito prolly is 10 and even the guy on the cage has a better resume with a provo win....

    who did crawford beat??? a blown up gamboa???
     
  9. Drew101

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    Nah. The victory over Arbachakov is fantastic, but with the exception of Cordoba and Zamudio the rest of his flyweight resume is a bit skimpy. Very good win...but not great, imo. Kind of similar to Vernon Forrest, imo. And given how raw Pac was at flyweight, referring to him as Chatchai's Mayorga is entirely appropriate.
     
  10. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, I don't see how anyone could rate a win over Crawford higher than one over Bradley. I think Crawford is potentially more of a threat but Bradley was significantly more proven.
     
  11. Daft P

    Daft P Active Member Full Member

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    It is possibly top5, definitely not top3. Crawford is not yet an established ATG and Pac has faced and defeated prime ATGs.
     
  12. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford isn't that great so no.