would you consifer luis ortiz a superheavyweight?

daverobin · Dec 20, 2015

would you guys say luis build is like a super heavyweight ? fury/wlad/lennox/helinius/ustinov/ ect ? ortiz is 6 foot 4 239 lbs but thick as **** ...rememeber most of you guys dont consder razor ruddock a super heavyweight build but he was thick 6 foot 3 239 lbs against tyson ...
so is luiz ortiz considered a superheavyweight in your minds(his build and height)

the commentator · Dec 20, 2015

He is what he is. A modernday Heavyweight.

Pugilist_Spec · Dec 20, 2015

Yes.

CzarChristoph · Dec 20, 2015

Anything under 6'2 and 225lbs is a small heavyweight;
6-2 - 6'4 and 225-235lbs is an average sized heavyweight;
6'4 + and 235lbs and over is a Superheavyweight
But I'm talking a genuine height, a lot of these boxers have inaccurate height listings and exaggerate an inch or so. But Ortiz is a big dude no doubt.

UnleashtheFURY · Dec 20, 2015

Super heavyweights don't exist in boxing, so no. He's a heavyweight.

OvidsExile · Dec 20, 2015

6'1"-6'3" 201lbs-230 lbs is regular heavyweight size. 6'4"+ is where I start super heavyweight. George Foreman would qualify at 6'4" same as Luis Ortiz.

Gannicus · Dec 20, 2015

There's no such thing as 'super heavyweight'. 'Heavyweight' is cruiserweight in amateurs.

SmackDaBum · Dec 20, 2015

Ovid***ile said: ↑

6'1"-6'3" 201lbs-230 lbs is regular heavyweight size. 6'4"+ is where I start super heavyweight. George Foreman would qualify at 6'4" same as Luis Ortiz.
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No Foreman were 6'3''.

iceman71 · Dec 20, 2015

then that would make Valuev a Super Duper Heavyweight

so no. hes just a heavyweight

daverobin · Dec 20, 2015

iceman71 said: ↑

then that would make Valuev a Super Duper Heavyweight

so no. hes just a heavyweight
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lol:good

Pugilist_Spec · Dec 20, 2015

SmackDaBum said: ↑

No Foreman were 6'3''.
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6′ 3½ officially.

Routa · Dec 20, 2015

Boxed Ears said: ↑

I understand what people are saying that there's no super heavyweight division but I've used the term regularly since the sizes of these men have increased so dramatically from the nineties on, when looking at who's making it at the top not just just being a circus sideshow oddity. I personally tend to think of it as anyone who's naturally around 240 without being a mess. A short super heavy would be like a Sam Peter who actually looked pretty natural and respectable around 240, but an average height more like 6'4-like a Pulev.

But, yeah, Ortiz would be in that neighborhood to me. It's a vague enough label but fans need something to make a general designation for an unlimited weight class like this, I tend to think. It doesn't mean different weight class, but it does mean you've crossed a threshold of some sort and you're not talking about an average-sized heavyweight, like Povetkin, or a potential cruiserweight. You're talking about a cruiserweight impossibility, at the least. It doesn't even necessarily mean the advantages are operating all one way, as it's always been self-limiting in nature.
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Good points. Folk here need to stop being smartassess. I think we all know what is meant here by superheavy even tho the actual weightclass does not exist.

Yes I consider Ortiz a superheavy. Regardless of the height, to me he looks like a naturally huge barrelchested and build guy. Instead of justsomeone who either spends too much time lifting weights, or at Burgerking.

daverobin · Dec 20, 2015

Boxed Ears said: ↑

I understand what people are saying that there's no super heavyweight division but I've used the term regularly since the sizes of these men have increased so dramatically from the nineties on, when looking at who's making it at the top not just just being a circus sideshow oddity. I personally tend to think of it as anyone who's naturally around 240 without being a mess. A short super heavy would be like a Sam Peter who actually looked pretty natural and respectable around 240, but an average height more like 6'4-like a Pulev.

But, yeah, Ortiz would be in that neighborhood to me. It's a vague enough label but fans need something to make a general designation for an unlimited weight class like this, I tend to think. It doesn't mean different weight class, but it does mean you've crossed a threshold of some sort and you're not talking about an average-sized heavyweight, like Povetkin, or a potential cruiserweight. You're talking about a cruiserweight impossibility, at the least. It doesn't even necessarily mean the advantages are operating all one way, as it's always been self-limiting in nature.
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thanks for not replying like an idiot :deal

daverobin · Dec 20, 2015

Boxed Ears said: ↑

I understand what people are saying that there's no super heavyweight division but I've used the term regularly since the sizes of these men have increased so dramatically from the nineties on, when looking at who's making it at the top not just just being a circus sideshow oddity. I personally tend to think of it as anyone who's naturally around 240 without being a mess. A short super heavy would be like a Sam Peter who actually looked pretty natural and respectable around 240, but an average height more like 6'4-like a Pulev.

But, yeah, Ortiz would be in that neighborhood to me. It's a vague enough label but fans need something to make a general designation for an unlimited weight class like this, I tend to think. It doesn't mean different weight class, but it does mean you've crossed a threshold of some sort and you're not talking about an average-sized heavyweight, like Povetkin, or a potential cruiserweight. You're talking about a cruiserweight impossibility, at the least. It doesn't even necessarily mean the advantages are operating all one way, as it's always been self-limiting in nature.
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would you consider razor ruddock a super heavyweight ?

On The Money · Dec 20, 2015

He also has arms like a gorilla. 84" on a 6'4" frame is huge. King Kong indeed.

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