Why is Michael Moorer not in the hall of fame?

Gatti also lost against worse opposition... Moorer's win over Holyfield is more impressive than anything Gatti did. He was the legit heavyweight champion. Was Gatti ever the the legit champ in any division?

 

In fairness, Evander Holyfield wasn't prepared that evening.. He had a shoulder injury and then later a diagnosed heart problem. The results in the rematch pretty much verified the difference in preparedness between the two evenings.. That said however, Moorer's record is still better than Gatti's and his career certainly has much more longevity and depth than McGuigans. To be honest however, I'm not sure that any of those three should really be in the HOF.

 

At the time, Moorer was described in the boxing media as dethroning a champion in the middle of having a heart attack (never mind that said heart attack was induced by PED abuse). Even then, he had to get off the floor to do it, and had to settle for an MD.

Their rematch revealed the true degree of separation between them. No question of a rubber match after Tua wiped him out in half a minute.

When nit-picking is involved, the boxer being discussed should not be considered for inclusion. Leon Spinks was also the legit heavyweight champion, and he beat Ali to lift that title. Sorry, not enough, even though he succeeded where Shavers, Lyle, Frazier, Young and Norton failed.

 

Do you think Gatti was more accomplished than Moorer? Which is the claim I was responding to, not arguing that Moorer should be in the HOF.

 

No

Gatti, Mancini, Brian Mitchell, McGuigan all questionable selections.

Media/ Casual Fan popularity; Politics (Lobying) obviously involved in selections

Donald Curry, Hector Camacho deserve selection over Moorer. Moorer is borderline, in my opinion. Donald Curry and Hector Camacho are more deserving.

But, obviously accomplishments are not the #1 criteria for admission, which just debases the real value of the Hall of Fame. Popular fighters bring in $$ to the Hall. Forgotten ones, less popular ones, no matter how talented /accomplished would bring in less $$.

 

Gatti maybe slightly, but this one could be a toss-up. Neither for the IBHOF though.

 

In 88 bouts covering 30 years, Camacho was never stopped, and his three UD losses over 12 were against three of the then undefeated best of his era. Seems on paper to provide a solid case for induction.

 

I agree Camacho should be in. I was surprised to learn he wasn't already.

 

Neither of them is even remotedly close to Evander Holyfield though.

And Ward is worse win than some others in Moorer resume.

On the other hand, if Moorer is in, then why not include Buster Douglas?
He certainly had resume at least on par with Moorer, and beat his ATG fae more impressively then Moorer did.

 

So was I.. I just a thread about the issue not long ago. Dude beat some good fighters and was never stopped.. Won titles in multiple weight classes along with having incredible longevity.

 

I disagree. The only "outstanding" win on his ledger is an Evander Holyfield that literally looked like he was dying in the ring at the time, and he barely got by him. I don't care if he WAS the heavyweight champ, that has nothing to do with anything. If that's all Moorer can claim, let me have Gatti's resume any day.

 

Moorer seemed to just eat up to heavyweight. He was always big for a light heavyweight, cutting lots of weight and rehydrating. Then he was all flabby at HW.

I know physiques only show so much (for example, Toney and Batchedler tested positive for steroid use during their horrendous fight) and I wouldn't count on Moorer or pretty much anyone from taking PEDs, unfortunately it's probably just part of sports, but Moorer's weight gain just looked like he ate way too many hamburgers and fries.

It's a different case as opposed to someone like Holyfield, who has all this circumstantial evidence against him.

 

It's hardly Moorer's fault if his opponent's cheating caught up with him. What outstanding wins did Gatti have that elevate him above Moorer? Gatti lost to journeymen in addition to being thrashed by anyone he faced who was close to being great. And Moorer did win a legitimate title, which is more than Gatti ever did.

 

The blokes dead though. The IBHOF needs their modern inductions to show up for the weekend and sell tickets. Hence Mancini and McGuigan are in and Moorer is not.

 

Arturo Gatti didn't show up for his induction either