Top Ten Middleweights pre-1950

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    C'mon, smarty pants. Let's see your lists!
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2015
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  2. McGrain

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    01 - Harry Greb
    02 - Stanley Ketchel
    03 - Mike Gibbons
    04 - Charley Burley
    05 - Tommy Ryan
    06 - Holman Williams
    07 - Freddie Steele
    08 - Bob Fitzsimmons
    09 - Jack Demspey
    10 - Fred Apostoli

    Next: Teddy Yarosz, Mickey Walker, Jack Dillon, Tiger Flowers, Ken Overlin.
     
    McGrain, Dec 22, 2015
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  3. Seamus

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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Freddie Steele
    3. Bob Fitzsimmons
    4. Stanley Ketchel
    5. Charley Burley
    6. Mickey Walker
    7. Kid McCoy
    8. Tiger Flowers
    9. Tommy Ryan
    10. Holman Williams

    Still scratching my chin on this one...
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2015
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  4. LittleRed

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    Ray Robinson
    Carlos Monzon
    Marvin Hagler
    Bernard Hopkins
    **** Tiger
    Rodrigo Valdez
    Emile Griffith
    Gene Fullmer
    JAMES TONEY
    GGG
    Mike McCallum
    RJJ
    JCVD

    Honorable mention: Sumbu Kalambay, Michael Nunn, Martinez, Joey Giardello with special thanks to Eubanks von teese
     
    LittleRed, Dec 22, 2015
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  5. Seamus

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    PRE-1950, brah...
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2015
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  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sorry, I thought you were using pre the way some people use literally.

    Anyway my list is exactly the same only with different names.
     
    LittleRed, Dec 22, 2015
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  7. Seamus

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    Did you put Jean Claude Van Damme on your list?

    Then, I approve.
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2015
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Burley
    Walker
    Gibbons
    Apostoli
    Steele
    La Motta
    Ketchel
    Zale
    Darcy
    Papke
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 22, 2015
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Although looking back I need to rethink my ranking of Ketchel, might not change it but I do need to rethink it.
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 22, 2015
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  10. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure he could make 160. But I'm not sure he couldn't. And I know who I favor in a kumite...
     
    LittleRed, Dec 22, 2015
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  11. Seamus

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    Can't believe I left Gibbons off.

    Anyone think that Frank Klaus has an argument here?

    Draw with Ketchel, wins over Jack Sullivan, Billy Papke, Frankie Mantell, Jimmy Gardner, Cyclone Johnny Thompson, Porky Dan Flynn, multiple over Jack Dillon, Leo Houck, Georges Carpentier and Eddie McGoorty before the wheels fell off. That's a damn good resume.
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2015
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  12. lufcrazy

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    Klaus and Papke are both of the same calibre in my mind and are interchangeable
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 23, 2015
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  13. Seamus

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    I would rank Klaus sightly ahead. He beat Papke over 6 and several of Klaus' better victims beat Papke. KO'ing Ketchel- despite whatever shenanigans took place- is still a pretty good bonus, tho.
     
    Seamus, Dec 23, 2015
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  14. Mendoza

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    Pre 1950. I might tinker with this a bit.

    1. Greb
    2. Fitzsimmons
    3. Cerdan
    4. Walker
    5. Lamotta
    6. Zale
    7. Burley
    8. Ketchel
    8. Ryan
    9. Steele
    10. Papke ( moved him up after seeing him crush Carpentier )

    HM Flowers, Darcy, McCoy, Gibbons, Williams, Langford, Clarke.


    Was 1900-1950, better than 1951- 2000?
     
    Mendoza, Dec 23, 2015
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  15. Seamus

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    There is no way under the Lord's yellow orb that you can rate Cerdan over Steele. They aren't really in the same league.

    And I still hold that Klaus is better than Papke.

    That said, I'm not entirely confident regarding the ordering in my list.
     
    Seamus, Dec 23, 2015
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