The Three Main Fight Philosophies in Boxing

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Gannicus, Dec 23, 2015.


  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Perhaps, but hitting and hurting aren't necessarily the same thing.
     
  2. itsa

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    Amateur fighting is actually closer to style 1 because everything counts in AM boxing.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Most hits hurt, especially when they accumulate.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Exactly!
     
  5. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perhaps we should just make the ring smaller.
     
  6. scarecrow

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    Which is why I'm ok with Mayweather winning most of his fights.

    He doesn't deliver a lot of damage, especially in recent years. But he also doesn't take a lot of damage either.

    You could argue he was still dishing out more than he was taking. But he wasn't dishing out or taking much at all. Which is completely boring, but technically yes for most of his fights he did more damage to his opponent than they did to him.
     
  7. scarecrow

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    Professional boxing has a huge emphasis on being the aggressor and doing more damage.

    AM boxing is simply about who accumulates the most hits. AM is just a compubox tally.
     
  8. itsa

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    Exactly, but they allow everything to land. There is 0/emphasis on clean shots. Maidana wins vs Floyd under amateur rules easily because his arm and shoulder punches would be scored.

    You are trying to make this argument that #3 is indicative of an amateur style. But that's impossible, as I have just proven.

    All this says to me is that you've never been in or seen, an amateur fjght. Which BTW is only 4 rounds.

    Talk about losing your case quick, Cochran
     
  9. itsa

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    Bkb baby
     
  10. Translation: I STILL DKSAB :burger
     
  11. scarecrow

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    It's hard to follow your debate because your use of pronouns is confusing. Who is the "they" you are referring to.

    Yes style #3 is an amateurish style. That's because the runner seeks to hit and not be hit. That's his whole concern. Instead of holding his ground, sitting on his punches, resisting the urge to clinch, etc.
     
  12. itsa

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    Everything you just said is 100 percent wrong.
     
  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    They have options that the group 1 boxers don't..but boxing is a sport which has a myriad of factors, one of them being heart and grit. There are undoubtedly boxers from philosophy 3 that are finished by Philosophy 1 boxers and vice versa. With that said, I'd like to just throw out that my main point is that admiring Philosophy 3 boxers are in my opinion, in vain..and they don't really show the mastery we initially think they do. Maidana being able to beat Mayweather if he fused philosophy 3 to his game, being an example.

    They use elements of all, but I tried to distinguish them according to their base philosophy that forms and defines who they were in their careers.
     
  14. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes, there is a bit of :| from my part lol. I don't think professional boxing should lose out to a dominance of training in philosophy 3. It degrades the fight element of the sport. We see evidence of this in American boxing which has been their downfall, with the shunning of in-fighting and the emphasis on 'slickness'.

    Greatness can be defined as winning cheaply i.e outpointing to win, but it is more-so defined by engaging in the fight. It's almost like a silent universal rule of the way things are.

    Philosophy 3 fighters like Rigondeaux and Lara whine and moan more than I am, they feel they're entitled to the same glory, greatness and income just because they 'win'. But we appreciate a REAL winner. Someone who goes in and TAKES it with both hands.

    Mayweather is not a philosophy 2 fighter. Yes I've seen his 130lbs fights. He adopted elements of philosophy 2 at a greater degree, but remains a type 3. Willie Pep and Wilfried Benitez were specifically mentioned in my original post to emphasise this difference.

    I'm not really talking about Manny Pacquiao here, but Manny falling short to Morales and Marquez is not bad, because under that same philosophy, Floyd would get knocked out by Morales.
     
  15. Gannicus

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    He genuinely is running, and whilst he's running he's doing certain things to set up his shots (boxing technique here), so he is 'boxing' technically, but the core is just running - and he really runs for the hills.

    The problem is, guys like Wladimir and Floyd sneak through the cracks as a result of exploiting loopholes in the point scoring system (this is what has been done in amateur boxing recently to improve it and make it more 'professional'). This should be stopped and boxers should establish, reaffirm and represent what it means to really score points in boxing, and that is to fight.
    Boxing otherwise becomes a game of fencing.