Why did DLH fight EVERYBODY?

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  1. Nay_Sayer

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    Well, I see things quite differently. I'm looking at it from the POV as to what Wright accomplished after the Vargas loss. Wright went on to beat two legitimately great fighters. Sturm, OTOH, hid in Gernany and beat a collection of nobodies after the de la Hoya loss. And as far as fighting at the championship level is concerned, Sturm has never been in the ring with or beaten a world champion whereas Wright HAS. So, in this regard, I consider Vargas' win over Wright better than de la Hoya's win over Sturm - or anyone else...
     
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  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he fought for the fans and was a true champion.
     
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  3. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    I haven't read the whole thread, so this answer might have been mentioned already.

    Arum and his promoters would always present him with a bunch of options as to who he could fight next. Oscar would ask what fight would make him the most money - they would say "well, it's this guy who might be a bad match-up ... " and he would always reply "Get me the biggest money match - I can take care of the fighting".
     
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  4. elmaldito

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    Ducked wright and Forrest for obvious reasons.
     
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  5. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GTFO. Some of you pick up something you heard and continue to use it as if it's a fact. Don't repeat bull****.


    Fact: Wright turned down a DLH offer.

    Fact: Forrest was a nobody and the minute he makes a name he loses to Mayorga.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

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    DLH was a superstar....there is nobody like him around now.

    Watch one of his fights...notice how many WOMEN there were in the audience? Lots and lots of women...they showed up at his promotions too.

    I went to the promotion here in Dallas for his fight with Floyd and I'd guess 50% of the crowd were Mexican women.
     
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  7. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well DLH was an extremely good looking guy. So women liked that.
     
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  8. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How were they has beens when they were all world champs at the time he fought them.? Obvioulsy no one thought that at the time because they were all extremely successful PPV's. Only after Floyd schooled them were they suddenly bad fights. And Floyd has been a has been for a few years now, yet no one gets **** for fighting an old Floyd. Double standards
     
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  9. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Who from his era fought more?
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Point taken. That's a different question entirely, however. The only person I can think of besides DLH who would have a decent case is Bernard, although technically speaking, Hopkins crossed over into what was arguably a different era. And even then, DLH probably still has a bit of a stronger case.
     
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  11. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I respect Bernard, but doesn't he have a reputation for a fairly soft middleweight reign as far as competition is concerned?
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    Arguably, I suppose.

    But Bernard didn't miss too many names (he missed some) between 160-175.

    Roy Jones x2
    Felix Trinidad
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Jermain Taylor x2
    Kelly Pavlik
    Jean Pascal x2
    Joe Calzaghe
    Winky Wright
    Tavoris Cloud
    Chad Dawson x2
    Sergey Kovalev
    Howard Eastman
    William Joppy
    Keith Holmes

    The only glaring omission from Hopkins' ledger I can really think of was Toney, but the timing for that one was never anything approaching ideal. I mean I guess you can say names like Ward, Froch, and Kessler can be included in the list of names he missed if you want to nitpick, but he never actually competed at 168.
     
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  13. Nay_Sayer

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    Actually yeah, he did. Hopkins spent some time @ 168 prior to his run as the IBF 160lb champion...
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    Not really. Even though some of those bouts took place over 160, they were largely viewed as middleweight contests despite the grey area.

    I can't remember for certain, but I don't think Bernard was ever rated as a super middle top 10 at any point in his career as a serious player. Ergo, he never truly competed as a super middle.
     
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  15. Imperial1

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    Lets see Whitiker was 33 ranked the number 2 ww by ring and the 4 best for fighter p4p The fight was billed pound for pound as the winner would have been recognized as he best fighter p4p but yeah let you try to convince Vargas ' gift decision was better than any 1 win on Oscar's ..Your description of Whitaker is that of when he fought Tito ..But keep trying to re write history genius !:hi:
     
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