Jack Dempsey HD

Great video...thanks.

I'm very skeptical of the abilities of many of the old boxers, but Dempsey would have been a champ, albeit at CW, even today.

Don King was asked why are the Eastern Europeans such good fighters today. He said "They're hungrier". Well, if you know anything about Dempsey's life, you understand hunger.

 

Good & nice work Reznick

 

He would have to put muscle on the way Holy did.

Probably see him about 215, would he still be quick enough at that weight to beat men to the punch? And would his slipping still be good enough to beat a jab?

At 190 pounds he is at a huge disadvantage.

 

Nay, Dempsey and Joe Louis at their best HOLD the advantage because of quickness, handspeed, dexterity and not having to "lug a trailer"
[musclebound] weight from the rear of a car...
P.S. If you wish to see the powerful and sinewy arms on a prime
Jack Dempsey, go to Boxing.com / "Dempsey's Arm and the State
of Modern Boxing....You will be enlightened...

 

He wouldn't fight in the HW division without weighing over 200 pounds today. That's just reality.

 

luf, Jack Dempsey HAD the frame of a 215 pound fighter if needed be.
His 190 pounds or so consisted of ballet dancers legs and a very narrow waistline . Powerful shoulders and large arms and fists. Nat Fleischer described Dempsey as "amazingly strong"..After he knocked out large opponents he would pick these big guys up off the canvas by putting his gloved hands under their armpits and hoisting them up off the floor.
Try that...Today I don't have to laud Jack Dempsey. The thousands upon thousands of boxing people from a tougher age, who saw him at his best KNEW about his prowess a helluva lot more than some revisionists of ESB, 90 years later..Adieu...

 

By what? By Mike Silver once again rubbishing modern boxing? I don't think so!

 

That's exactly what I said before you replied. Since your reply was disagreeing with my reply which you now agree with I think that means you are disagreeing with yourself.

 

luf. If I am disagreeing with myself why in tarnation did Dempsey weigh under 190 pounds against very larger and strong, over 210 pound heavyweights like Carl Morris, Fred fulton, Jess Willard and Luis Angel Firpo ???You luf are the one who has it wrong. My contention was that because of Dempsey's large boned upper body structure, he COULD have easily fought at 210 pounds IF his wise old coots Jack Kearns and
Teddy Hayes thought it would be to his advantage to BEEF him up.
THEY KNEW their onions a heck of a lot more about their "goldmine"
than any of us today...What a prime Jack Dempsey brought to the table was middleweight speed and Duran like litheness with a kill or be killed attitude in the ring, which more often than not "trumps"
slower muscle bounds 240 pounds and up, provided you had the
powerful punching ability of a Fitz, a Langford and a Joe Louis.
Remember L SPEED KILLS more often than not...

 

I honestly believe that Dempsey could beat the modern superheavyweights at 190lbs.

He is sort of the exception that proves the rule.

 

Do you think any man would fight a HW title fight today weighing 190 pounds? Haye and Holy didn't do it, neither did Byrd or Chambers.

 

I said he would weight about 215 which is what you've just said so again you're agreeing wth me and disagreeing with you. It's like you're arguing with yourself and I am being the arbiter.

 

If you transport Dempsey as he was to nowadays he would stil absolutely knock out big superheavyweights. He'd have a huge advantage. Especially using those gloves.

But there is no way to replicate a modern Dempsey now. It's impossible. It can't go back.

Back then only the extra special phenomenon guys made it. Regular training and diet was all there was. No tests were done to supplement nutrients that an individual might naturally lack. Now you get more out of a standard talent because modern sports science can physically enhance the physical capabilities of an individual. So what you get now is more standard guys going a lot further before they get found out. With less fights within an average career it's often too late to discover who the really good ones are.

I won't knock the new guys. They're as good as they need to be and that's enough. There's more exposure but often less oppertunties for anything other than an exceptional talent. Less circuit's for honest competition at lower level. Less live opponents for prospects to develop against. Huge pressure on prospects. Harder for less talented guys to make a living.

It was tough in Dempseys day but a lot of fighters now would love to fight so often.