Oh boy, Floyd says ward would beat GGG easily

Guys, you draw it up lol...:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

He ducked the "great" Amir Khan.

 

I agree with your comment, but I don't really think that how he would fare at 168lbs is necessary to find out how good he is, because he's ultimately a middleweight through and through.

By going up to 168lbs, he's giving up some big advantages that make him such a good middleweight, i.e power, size (although skill is a big advantage of his). Pressure fighters just don't rise up weight classes well, and 168lbs would be stretching Golovkin considering he's only 170-172lbs on fight night (same weight as Brandon Rios on fight night and Canelo Alvarez).

Golovkin would earn great points for eventually going up to 168lbs and getting wins there, though - although it won't have any real negative implications on him overall as a fighter.

Derevyanchenko is going to be a major player at 160lbs, he's a more complete version of Canelo Alvarez and is just better than Canelo. Derevyanchenko-Golovkin is the fight I want to see, and we could get that at in 2017 or maybe even the end of this year.

edit: negative implications

 

"Mayweather was a sure thing for HOF 10 years ago IMO but he wasn't retired". ~Gannicu

Lol...

Name 1-2 prime ATG's HOF's fighting today in each division.

"Pacquiao is a HOF and his career isn't over.
Marquez is a HOF and he hasn't announced his retirement".

~Gannicus

 

And the way he's being marketed, a defeat - even a gallant one at 168 - would burst his commercial bubble. They promote him as a kind of one-man wrecking ball and facing bigger men who can take his shots, and God forbid perhaps take a loss, would halt the money-making juggernaut. But as you say his skill set is more than power punching. I do rate him, but can't mark him down as an all-time great until he has better names on his record. It's a proper catch-22.

 

Oh..I didn't understand what you meant.

Well technically no one is a HOF until they've been declared HOF by IBHOF. But because most of us aren't dumbasses, we're able to deduce that Pac and Marquez might as well be called HOF's. They're already ATG's.

In terms of at-or-near prime ATG's, there are none from Mayweather's career.
But there was in Pac's career i.e Barrera and Marquez. There's ATG wins such as Pac beating any 'very good' name at 140 and over.

 

Yeah it's quite a tough one, from a business standpoint if you were his promoter, you just wouldn't think about throwing him at 168lbs especially when a super-fight with Canelo looms and is being built up. Canelo can only make 155lbs for so long. He's not getting any younger.

He definitely needs more names on his resume. He could end up having somewhat of a BHop-esque middleweight career though and achieve a HOF career by having consistent wins and numerous title defenses. Bernard is considered an ATG at middleweight because of his defenses even though they weren't exactly against very good fighters and he has two losses to Jermain Taylor as well as a loss against TBE (Roy Jones at 160lbs). How good Bernard looked factors in, as well as his consistency. The same would then be said of Golovkin.


..Jason Quigley in the next couple of years could end up being a real contender.

 

One thing is for sure ggg would not be able to get away with being so stationary fighting at 168. He is very hitable at 160

 

You can't make this stuff up lol...

And he still doesn't understand what I'm saying because in part he sees only what he wants to see. Another roastage lmao.

 

The difference is Hopkins has several very solid wins on his resume, Trinidad, Wright, De la Hoya, pavlik, and moved up to beat Tarver, etc. We haven't seen ggg beat anyone of note at this point

 

People just tend to overlook the MW division, they just want to assume they are all bums. You said Murray beat Martinez in your card, both him and Macklin beat Sturm on my card. Sturm who's a two time world champion and made countless defences. Or Geale, for that matter. Former unified champion who won his titles by beating the reigning champs. I don't see anything to suggest Maidana is a better scalp than him. Same goes for Lemieux, what makes shot Berto a superior win to him is beyond me.

Side note: None of these is to say GGG's resume is comparable to Floyd's, It's far from it obviously.

 

I have a feeling Floyd wants to comeback and fight for the MW title against Canelo. The problem is Golovkin who rules the division. Floyd saying that GGG should move up and saying Ward would win easy doesn´t make whole lot of sense.

First of all, Ward hasn´t fought rated opponent in years and doesn´t even make 168 anymore. Secondly, If Ward is that good, he could easily do the same and face Kovalev/Stevenson. The thing is, he´s not facing anyone because (according to him) he´s not big enough/needs time to grow or something - what a b...hit! He is 3 pounds short to be a full ledge LHW, he just doesn´t believe himself.

All he does is just whining about Golovkin all the time, making demands and asking GGG to move up 8 pounds to face him. Crazy double standards.

 

IMO MW division is pretty good at the moment. At least much better than 15-20 years ago. Both Lemieux(2015) and Murray(2015) would get into ring top10 list every year for the past 20 years. You can also argue that there are many guys from resent years that would get rated top 10 more times than not; Geale (2010-2014), Stevens (2014), Macklin (2010-2013) and Jacobs (2015), Quillin (2010-2015), Sturm (2003-2013) and so on..

Then there are these new guys who are coming fast; Saunders, Canelo, Eubank Jr. etc.

And try to think last MW champion who could beat GGG? Pavlik? Taylor? Abraham? Sturm? Joppy? Trinidad? I don´t believe any of those have much of a chance at all. IMO Last champion who had a chance is Hopkins (2000). To me, that sounds pretty impressive.

Golovkin is proving himself by dominating and unifying. You can´t really ask much more from the champion.

 

Your words are very unintelligible. You're also an awful poster so you're probably throwing another strawman anyway. I already schooled you on this thread and yes, I do know more than you so you should take notes.

 

I'm talking solely at middleweight. BHop is considered an ATG 160lber. Trinidad and Joppy were definitely good wins although it's not THE Trinidad of welterweight.
Winky Wright was at 170lbs, he's not a 170lber - same goes with Pavlik. De La Hoya MW win is a pantomine joke, too.